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Retro69 · 08-02-2015, 08:47 PM

I have previously run 275 P-zeros on 9" wheels and currently run Hankook R-S3 285's on ZL1/1LE wheels. I do a fair amount of autocrossing so I'm covered with the 285's. I want to get a second set of ZL1/1LE-fitment wheels with tires to run on my daily drives so I can save the expensive tires for events. Having gotten used to the high performance summer 285's how disappointed would I be with a high-performance all-season such as the BFG G-Force Comp-2 A/S's? Anyone have any experience with them?

WHAMMO · 08-02-2015, 11:50 PM

Well..I cant speak about g force as2 but, I made the switch from stock 1LE trackw tires 2 months ago to Michelin AS3.

At first I was disapointed because I could really feel the sidewall was softer and felt like the handling was less stiff and more comfy. But, after countless hard cornering, I can tell you I will not go back to F1 G2 unless Im doing lapping. AS3 made the car way more forgiving for bumps and rain (lot of grip in cold and rainy weather). They last longer and I cot used to the softer ride.

The downside is that they squeal under really hard cornering, but they still got grip there.

I havent for the chance to autocross again, but G2 were not good at all for it because they take too long to heat. But they are track/lapping all star tires.

Your best bet would be Michelin PSS I think. I would have got those but they were not available back then.

Still, I highly recommend Michelin AS3 tires. Summer is kinda cold where I live though.

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pnyklr · 08-03-2015, 08:46 AM

I really wish someone was running the Comp2 A/S. that is the direction I am leaning but being such a new tire its hard to compare.

I don't see the AS3 in a 275/40/20 and I have heard complaints about short treadlife with regard to the AS3.

pnyklr · 08-03-2015, 09:14 AM

Just learned the 275/40/20 Comp2 A/S won't be available until November.

I need tires now as the P Zeros are dead after 40k miles. Guess I'll bite the bullet and pick up a set of AS-03s.

Retro69 · 08-03-2015, 01:35 PM

Looks like 285/35R20s are September, too. Sure wish someone had some experience with them so I could make an informed decision.

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pnyklr · 08-03-2015, 04:08 PM

I might have run it by the accountant (wife) to see if I can pop for a set of DSWs.

Rudy@Tirerack · 08-04-2015, 03:40 PM

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=200

We rated it higher than the popular General Gmax. See test review above.

Retro69 · 08-04-2015, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy@Tirerack

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=200

We rated it higher than the popular General Gmax. See test review above.

Ha! That review is what led me to create this post.

So Rudy... given I have driven on Perelli P-zeros, BFG G-Force Rivals, Michelin Pilot Super Sports and now Hankook R-S3's.... how would the BFG hp all-season compare? I'm sure they'll be less grippy and responsive than the HP summer-onlys but how much?

pnyklr · 08-04-2015, 08:06 PM

Rudy,

While I appreciate all TR does with regard to testing tires I personally want to see some real world data before I make a decision on what tires I will buy. Enthusiast and community reviews from all aspects is what drives 75% of my buying decision.

With that said, what you guys do DOES have an influence on what I look to when buying and for that I am deeply grateful for you and the whole TR team.

Right now I am leaning towards the DWS 06. Heavily leaning.

wucgoode · 08-05-2015, 01:45 AM

Your best bet would be Michelin PSS I think. I would have got those but they were not available back then.

Retro69 · 08-05-2015, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wucgoode

Your best bet would be Michelin PSS I think. I would have got those but they were not available back then.

And they're *still* not available :(

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Rudy@Tirerack · 08-05-2015, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro69

Ha! That review is what led me to create this post.

So Rudy... given I have driven on Perelli P-zeros, BFG G-Force Rivals, Michelin Pilot Super Sports and now Hankook R-S3's.... how would the BFG hp all-season compare? I'm sure they'll be less grippy and responsive than the HP summer-onlys but how much?

There is a big difference. No all season tire has the grip or response of those tires. It's a compromise.

Retro69 · 08-05-2015, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy@Tirerack

There is a big difference. No all season tire has the grip or response of those tires. It's a compromise.

Thanks Rudy...

I'm just hoping being high performance means they won't be terrible.

pnyklr · 08-05-2015, 10:04 PM

I made my move. DWS 06's go on Friday.

I agree with Rudy.

I made my choice based on the fact that we get below 30, sometimes we get a little snow/slush and I transport my three girls on a daily basis. I wanted a good all season tire as my car is a DD and wet traction was a concern more so than all out performance.

08-02-2015, 08:47 PM	#1
Retro69 Drives: 2018 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Morgan, UT Posts: 1,359	Performance Summer to Performance All-Season: Will I be disappointed? I have previously run 275 P-zeros on 9" wheels and currently run Hankook R-S3 285's on ZL1/1LE wheels. I do a fair amount of autocrossing so I'm covered with the 285's. I want to get a second set of ZL1/1LE-fitment wheels with tires to run on my daily drives so I can save the expensive tires for events. Having gotten used to the high performance summer 285's how disappointed would I be with a high-performance all-season such as the BFG G-Force Comp-2 A/S's? Anyone have any experience with them? __________________ Last edited by Retro69; 08-02-2015 at 09:50 PM.

08-02-2015, 11:50 PM	#2
WHAMMO Drives: 13' 1LE Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,642	Well..I cant speak about g force as2 but, I made the switch from stock 1LE trackw tires 2 months ago to Michelin AS3. At first I was disapointed because I could really feel the sidewall was softer and felt like the handling was less stiff and more comfy. But, after countless hard cornering, I can tell you I will not go back to F1 G2 unless Im doing lapping. AS3 made the car way more forgiving for bumps and rain (lot of grip in cold and rainy weather). They last longer and I cot used to the softer ride. The downside is that they squeal under really hard cornering, but they still got grip there. I havent for the chance to autocross again, but G2 were not good at all for it because they take too long to heat. But they are track/lapping all star tires. Your best bet would be Michelin PSS I think. I would have got those but they were not available back then. Still, I highly recommend Michelin AS3 tires. Summer is kinda cold where I live though. Envoyé de mon HTC One en utilisant Tapatalk __________________ 13' 1LE Old setup: TSP 231-236/Tick 660/.105 PR, UDP, SW LT 2'' & HFC, stock NPP & H pipe, VR-DRX CAI, air scoop, Goertz1 manifold, 102mm BBK, 26" Toyo DRs, Forgestars R17x10 & F18x8, rear seat delete, remote Pat G tune Autocal, 7400 limiter, Spec Mini Twin. 91oct. 11.90@122.3, 0-60ft 2.0 / 11.99@123.6, 0-60ft 2.1 DA+819 ...519RWHP SAE Solid roller SBE LS3, FED, LLSR, 91oct, 605rwhp N/A. Tuned by Pat G. Build by me.

08-03-2015, 08:46 AM	#3
pnyklr Drives: A Gift From My Wife Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Powder Springs, GA Posts: 1,557	I really wish someone was running the Comp2 A/S. that is the direction I am leaning but being such a new tire its hard to compare. I don't see the AS3 in a 275/40/20 and I have heard complaints about short treadlife with regard to the AS3. __________________ 2012 Convert 2SS/RS SW/IO LS3 - Build #1081 07/21/2011 - (3800) Order produced and vehicle is being prepared for shipping. 08/09/2011 - (4200) Shipped (vehicle is shipped to the dealer or interim point of delivery). 08/16/2011 - (5000) Vehicle has been delivered to dealer. 08/19/2011 - In my possession.

08-03-2015, 09:14 AM	#4
pnyklr Drives: A Gift From My Wife Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Powder Springs, GA Posts: 1,557	Just learned the 275/40/20 Comp2 A/S won't be available until November. I need tires now as the P Zeros are dead after 40k miles. Guess I'll bite the bullet and pick up a set of AS-03s. __________________ 2012 Convert 2SS/RS SW/IO LS3 - Build #1081 07/21/2011 - (3800) Order produced and vehicle is being prepared for shipping. 08/09/2011 - (4200) Shipped (vehicle is shipped to the dealer or interim point of delivery). 08/16/2011 - (5000) Vehicle has been delivered to dealer. 08/19/2011 - In my possession.

08-03-2015, 01:35 PM	#5
Retro69 Drives: 2018 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Morgan, UT Posts: 1,359	Looks like 285/35R20s are September, too. Sure wish someone had some experience with them so I could make an informed decision. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________

08-03-2015, 04:08 PM	#6
pnyklr Drives: A Gift From My Wife Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Powder Springs, GA Posts: 1,557	I might have run it by the accountant (wife) to see if I can pop for a set of DSWs. __________________ 2012 Convert 2SS/RS SW/IO LS3 - Build #1081 07/21/2011 - (3800) Order produced and vehicle is being prepared for shipping. 08/09/2011 - (4200) Shipped (vehicle is shipped to the dealer or interim point of delivery). 08/16/2011 - (5000) Vehicle has been delivered to dealer. 08/19/2011 - In my possession.

08-04-2015, 03:40 PM	#7
Rudy@Tirerack Drives: 1-800-428-8355 X4664 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: rudy@tirerack.com Posts: 1,186	http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=200 We rated it higher than the popular General Gmax. See test review above.

08-04-2015, 08:06 PM	#9
pnyklr Drives: A Gift From My Wife Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Powder Springs, GA Posts: 1,557	Rudy, While I appreciate all TR does with regard to testing tires I personally want to see some real world data before I make a decision on what tires I will buy. Enthusiast and community reviews from all aspects is what drives 75% of my buying decision. With that said, what you guys do DOES have an influence on what I look to when buying and for that I am deeply grateful for you and the whole TR team. Right now I am leaning towards the DWS 06. Heavily leaning. __________________ 2012 Convert 2SS/RS SW/IO LS3 - Build #1081 07/21/2011 - (3800) Order produced and vehicle is being prepared for shipping. 08/09/2011 - (4200) Shipped (vehicle is shipped to the dealer or interim point of delivery). 08/16/2011 - (5000) Vehicle has been delivered to dealer. 08/19/2011 - In my possession.

08-05-2015, 01:45 AM	#10
wucgoode Drives: camaro Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: CA Posts: 2	Your best bet would be Michelin PSS I think. I would have got those but they were not available back then.

08-05-2015, 10:04 PM	#14
pnyklr Drives: A Gift From My Wife Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Powder Springs, GA Posts: 1,557	I made my move. DWS 06's go on Friday. I agree with Rudy. I made my choice based on the fact that we get below 30, sometimes we get a little snow/slush and I transport my three girls on a daily basis. I wanted a good all season tire as my car is a DD and wet traction was a concern more so than all out performance. __________________ 2012 Convert 2SS/RS SW/IO LS3 - Build #1081 07/21/2011 - (3800) Order produced and vehicle is being prepared for shipping. 08/09/2011 - (4200) Shipped (vehicle is shipped to the dealer or interim point of delivery). 08/16/2011 - (5000) Vehicle has been delivered to dealer. 08/19/2011 - In my possession. Last edited by pnyklr; 08-05-2015 at 10:46 PM.