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zl1bro · 02-01-2013, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JustGeorge

I never pressed the button. I did not want it activated. I told them to delete me, my car and all info pertaining to me.

If they track my car or share or sell my info, I think I would sue.

And I didn't really know much about it before the car sale. My '05 GTO did not come with it. This is my first experience with it.

From the NY Times:
… OnStar reserves the right to share that information with other companies and organizations, even data culled from motorists who no longer subscribe to the service but who have left the two-way communications connection open.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2011...le-some-users/

Did your dealer explain / tell you this?

I never pushed the button either. Maybe if I had no cell phone or were 90 yrs old I might see a use for a service like onstar. Seems like overkill and a huge waste of money.

snackbar64 · 02-01-2013, 10:13 AM

They are not tracking the vehicle FOR US until we pay. But your vehicle is continuously tracked. I'd be willing to bet if you are not currently paying for the service and you push the Onstar button and advisor can come on line and tell you exactly where you are. And if the police or the dealer wanted to track you down because you've been gone too long on a test drive they could give Onstar the vin # and track you down within minutes. Like I said the system is passively active whether activated or not. It's always on standby. At least this has been my experience with the system.

JustGeorge · 02-01-2013, 10:44 AM

OnStar does not track your vehicle. No way; no shape, not all. Positioning or speed is never sent to OnStar. Unless perhaps you push the button. It never records your speed or sends it to OnStar. True?
I never said continuously. I wouldn’t think that it would continuously track a parked car. Or one in storage with the battery disconnected. I'm not sure why continuously was added.
Does OnStar as of now (today is Feb 2013) sell (or share) any data from OnStar equipped vehicles?

KamShows · 02-01-2013, 12:01 PM

snackbar64,
If there is not a data connection to the vehicle via an active subscription, OnStar cannot provide any services.
-Kameya Shows, OnStar Communications
kameya.shows@onstar.com

mmarx82 · 02-01-2013, 12:13 PM

All you guys griping about not being able to track the car and onstar and I'm pissed about how the news and the dealership are calling it a limited production car...

KamShows · 02-01-2013, 12:13 PM

JustGeorge-You mentioned in a previous post that you don't have an active OnStar subscription. If that is the case, OnStar doesn’t have a connection to your vehicle.
OnStar does not track vehicles, except in the case of Stolen Vehicle Assistance. And with Stolen Vehicle Assistance first there has to be an active subscription/data connection. Secondly, the subscriber needs to reports the vehicle as stolen to law enforcement. OnStar then will locate the vehicle via GPS and provide the location to law enforcement.
-Kameya Shows, OnStar Communications

Sven59 · 02-01-2013, 12:17 PM

For a thief to defeat onstar all they have to do is break off the shark fin.

Normagene · 02-01-2013, 12:18 PM

Took mine out of the garage yesterday and the day before. Temps were in the 50/60 range. Last time out was at least three weeks ago. I immediately noticed the icons, all three were lit up, in red, for the first five minutes or so of my ride. Since it had been garaged, and not connected with on star, I'm assuming it did a full system analysis. I noticed this on both days I took the car out for a spin. Maybe this happens every time I've taken the car out, but this was the first time I noticed. The lights/icons that lit up in red are in the reflective part of the mirror, not the icons you touch to contact on star. Then the next time I looked in the mirror the icons were gone. Try it out and see if this happens to you. I'll bet if your parked outside it does not happen because on star never loses the signal, but put her underground and they will make a reconnect when she emerges. I've used it for directions before, not often, but sure came in handy. I asked the women how fast I was going and she told me she was unable to see that data. I'm sure it's recording all data, but it is not given to the advisors. Whatever it is they do I hope it doesn't come back to bite me. I don't think I have ever had her out and not hit 100mph, at least. 119mph yesterday just following another car, yes on the hi way, but only for a couple of miles, then we hit some traffic and slowed right down to 80 like everyone else.

ZL1-V · 02-01-2013, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmarx82

All you guys griping about not being able to track the car and onstar and I'm pissed about how the news and the dealership are calling it a limited production car...

Ha,ha! I got into a heated converstaion with an idiot salesman on that same subject. They had the car locked and said he couldn't open it! I of course left and bought my car from a different dealership!

HDRDTD · 02-01-2013, 12:43 PM

It won't make ANY difference, no matter how many times the OnStar rep tells us they NO they do not track us, don't record this, don't record that, etc etc, etc.

Even if it's alll true and accurate, there will ALWAYS be some people that will NEVER be convinced. Their mind is made up and that's it.

On the other hand pehaps it's not a bad idea to assume you ARE being watched at all times.

mmarx82 · 02-01-2013, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharp ZL1

Ha,ha! I got into a heated converstaion with an idiot salesman on that same subject. They had the car locked and said he couldn't open it! I of course left and bought my car from a different dealership!

Good, I'm glad you didn't let them screw you! They all need to have a little more

for their customers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

It won't make ANY difference, no matter how many times the OnStar rep tells us they NO they do not track us, don't record this, don't record that, etc etc, etc.

Even if it's alll true and accurate, there will ALWAYS be some people that will NEVER be convinced. Their mind is made up and that's it.

On the other hand pehaps it's not a bad idea to assume you ARE being watched at all times.

Yes, did you see this? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e95_1359267780

HDRDTD · 02-01-2013, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmarx82

Yes, did you see this? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e95_1359267780

So what? Even if Big Brother has this capability, do you really think they're going to use it to see if you're speeding on your way to Walmart? Or to track stolen cars? They people that own and control this type of survailance have mush bigger issues to deal with.

Yes they CAN do remarkable things these days, but unless you're some kind of threat, they're not going to waste this type of resource on you.

just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

Alvin@PCMofNC · 02-01-2013, 02:17 PM

This is scary. The dealership in question is about 2 miles away from us. We are on the same road. I hope they catch them. Word is several other dealers have been hit too recently. They will get caught.

JustGeorge · 02-01-2013, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamShows

JustGeorge-You mentioned in a previous post that you don't have an active OnStar subscription. If that is the case, OnStar doesn’t have a connection to your vehicle.
OnStar does not track vehicles, except in the case of Stolen Vehicle Assistance. And with Stolen Vehicle Assistance first there has to be an active subscription/data connection. Secondly, the subscriber needs to reports the vehicle as stolen to law enforcement. OnStar then will locate the vehicle via GPS and provide the location to law enforcement.
-Kameya Shows, OnStar Communications

KamShows
First of all thanks for your responses. But, you did not answer my question.

Does OnStar as of now (today is Feb 2013) sell (or share) any data from OnStar equipped vehicles?

Then you stated:
JustGeorge-You mentioned in a previous post that you don't have an active OnStar subscription. If that is the case, OnStar doesn’t have a connection to your vehicle.

Then explain how I got a message pushed to me while driving my car from OnStar telling me that I needed to activate it?
Thanks in advance.

02-01-2013, 10:44 AM	#45
JustGeorge ZL1 CRT 1 of 53 Drives: 2012 & 2017 ZL1's Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Phoenixville, PA Posts: 915	Just to Be Clear :) OnStar does not track your vehicle. No way; no shape, not all. Positioning or speed is never sent to OnStar. Unless perhaps you push the button. It never records your speed or sends it to OnStar. True? I never said continuously. I wouldn’t think that it would continuously track a parked car. Or one in storage with the battery disconnected. I'm not sure why continuously was added. Does OnStar as of now (today is Feb 2013) sell (or share) any data from OnStar equipped vehicles? __________________

02-01-2013, 12:13 PM	#47
mmarx82 Drives: '12 ZL1 #1609 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,762	All you guys griping about not being able to track the car and onstar and I'm pissed about how the news and the dealership are calling it a limited production car... __________________ Life is too short to drive cars that suck. My build Thread

02-01-2013, 12:17 PM	#49
Sven59 HAMMER PILOT Drives: 13 ZL1#182, 85 CJ7, 16 Silverado Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 4,386	For a thief to defeat onstar all they have to do is break off the shark fin. __________________ "DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT THE HAMMER DOWN?"

02-01-2013, 10:13 AM	#44
snackbar64 Drives: SW 2017 ZL1, M6, Carbon, Nav, MR, Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Prosper, TX Posts: 801	They are not tracking the vehicle FOR US until we pay. But your vehicle is continuously tracked. I'd be willing to bet if you are not currently paying for the service and you push the Onstar button and advisor can come on line and tell you exactly where you are. And if the police or the dealer wanted to track you down because you've been gone too long on a test drive they could give Onstar the vin # and track you down within minutes. Like I said the system is passively active whether activated or not. It's always on standby. At least this has been my experience with the system.

02-01-2013, 12:01 PM	#46
KamShows Drives: GM Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Detroit Posts: 5	snackbar64, If there is not a data connection to the vehicle via an active subscription, OnStar cannot provide any services. -Kameya Shows, OnStar Communications kameya.shows@onstar.com

02-01-2013, 12:18 PM	#50
Normagene Drives: 2013 Ashen Gray M6 ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: South Eastern, Mass Posts: 2,615 View My Garage	Took mine out of the garage yesterday and the day before. Temps were in the 50/60 range. Last time out was at least three weeks ago. I immediately noticed the icons, all three were lit up, in red, for the first five minutes or so of my ride. Since it had been garaged, and not connected with on star, I'm assuming it did a full system analysis. I noticed this on both days I took the car out for a spin. Maybe this happens every time I've taken the car out, but this was the first time I noticed. The lights/icons that lit up in red are in the reflective part of the mirror, not the icons you touch to contact on star. Then the next time I looked in the mirror the icons were gone. Try it out and see if this happens to you. I'll bet if your parked outside it does not happen because on star never loses the signal, but put her underground and they will make a reconnect when she emerges. I've used it for directions before, not often, but sure came in handy. I asked the women how fast I was going and she told me she was unable to see that data. I'm sure it's recording all data, but it is not given to the advisors. Whatever it is they do I hope it doesn't come back to bite me. I don't think I have ever had her out and not hit 100mph, at least. 119mph yesterday just following another car, yes on the hi way, but only for a couple of miles, then we hit some traffic and slowed right down to 80 like everyone else.

02-01-2013, 12:43 PM	#52
HDRDTD Drives: 2013 Triple Black ZL1 Vert M6 ECF Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Trenton, Michigan Posts: 7,047	It won't make ANY difference, no matter how many times the OnStar rep tells us they NO they do not track us, don't record this, don't record that, etc etc, etc. Even if it's alll true and accurate, there will ALWAYS be some people that will NEVER be convinced. Their mind is made up and that's it. On the other hand pehaps it's not a bad idea to assume you ARE being watched at all times.

02-01-2013, 02:17 PM	#55
Alvin@PCMofNC Drives: 2010 IOM RSS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Mooresville Posts: 363	This is scary. The dealership in question is about 2 miles away from us. We are on the same road. I hope they catch them. Word is several other dealers have been hit too recently. They will get caught.