[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I disagree with the final point made...the ZL1 will be more than just a track car. If I could only have one car and had to choose between those two, it would be the ZL1. Because...FUN FACTOR vs OLD MAN IMAGE.

Exactly. I about put my fist through the screen when I read that.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by GrimReaperSS

Am I not seeing something about the picture shown? Pretty sure that's a standard SS model. The wheels are incorrect for a 1LE model. I don't see all the flat black components of the 1LE, hood, chin spoiler, deck lid spoiler etc. Not that yu can see the brakes in the vehicle pictured, but I dont see the giant red 6 piston Brembo's of the 1LE either. Now, I don't exactly agree with the article either. The ZL1 can absolutely be a boulevard cruiser as well, not simply a track day monster. And with the MRCC suspensio, it can have just as cushy of a ride as the Caddy. Only decent point they make Is that you're sight lines are better in the Caddy.

It could be an SS or a 1 LE, but it us not a ZL1.

[Hellobatman]

I currently own an ATS-V, and all I will say is the CTS-V is a wonderful machine. I'd be sided to have to go with the Cadillac. If money were no object, of course. Albeit, I'm waiting for the Z!

[Snakedriver]

For a DD the V is the car.

[Tr6]

Why would they even compare the 2, because they have LT4? That is just horrible journalism. Especially comparing gen3 CTS-V which is a 100k+ and a 4 door SEDAN to a COUPE (don't say ZL1 has back seats lol. Insurance purposes, sure. For human beings? Nope). I LOVE the gen3 CTS-V, truly do. I'd take it over ANY M or AMG sedans.

CTS V + ZL1 would be a better topic haha. Though, I would take a charger hellcat due to price. 65k vs 100+. I can only dream that Chevy would make a new SS Sedan on alpha platform with LT4 (not even LT1, LT4) and price it around charger hellcat which they easily could!

ATS-V COUPE (maybe sedan) vs ZL1 should've truly been the real topic of that article. It's quite a bit better comparison. Price wise, they will most likely be close to each other. Designed for more DD AND track.

[Mr. Wyndham]

I just don't like the "CTS-V is more comfortable" (I've sat in both, this is false), and "track car and nothing more" statements. Pretty ignorant if you ask me...but then, that site doesn't look very focused on automobiles.

It's just an opinion piece designed to elicit a response. No reason to get bent out of shape.

Me? I find the ZL1 to be faster, fitter, more aggressive looking...and $20,000 cheaper. That's a lot of track days and tires.

[Modshack]

Originally Posted by Thor142

I know right. I'm here on my second Camaro and seriously considering a third and this is coming from a guy who absolutely swore off anything GM was ever going to make until the end of time. The Camaro is just that good. It doesn't mean its beyond criticism. Hell sometimes when I point out weaknesses in the 1LE I feel like I might just be the anti-christ LOL.

You sound like me...69 cars and I can count GM owned ones on one hand...
First Camaro here, but The Gen6 is THAT GOOD...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Modshack

You Camaro guys get Butt Hurt so easily....:-)

Originally Posted by Thor142

Yeah they do......

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Like others have said before..there's a trend in the Camaro community that the Camaro must be the top of everything. Anything less than glowing praise is "bashing" and "probably from people that have never driven it" or some other reason or such.

The Camaro community is becoming increasingly insecure, which is odd considering how good the Gen 6 is.

Originally Posted by Thor142

I know right. I'm here on my second Camaro and seriously considering a third and this is coming from a guy who absolutely swore off anything GM was ever going to make until the end of time. The Camaro is just that good. It doesn't mean its beyond criticism. Hell sometimes when I point out weaknesses in the 1LE I feel like I might just be the anti-christ LOL.

Originally Posted by Sven59

That wasn't the point, they put a picture of a 1LE when they are talking about a ZL1. They said a ZL1 is only good on the track and I doubt they have ever driven one. I don't care what they say is better but there is an obvious lack of doing your homework before typing.

You guys can hop on down from your high horse, if you like...

It was a doofy article, no way around it...

[AZCamaroFan]

never heard of that site. i don't fault someone for picking a Cadillac. Similar performance in a luxury car? Why not?
the only problem was that line about the ZL1 being 'only a track car'. That just betrays the writer's ignorance.

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

You guys can hop on down from your high horse, if you like...

It was a doofy article, no way around it...

Come on... you know it's true. Some people here get super bent out of shape at the slightest criticism of a Camaro.

It's not my fault my horse is high. I've sent him to rehab a dozen times and it's not helping.

[datboi448]

don't really understand the reasoning behind this comparison. they are two different cars in two different categories but share an engine and chassis. id own both if I could but it's gonna be the z for me

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Thor142

Come on... you know it's true. Some people here get super bent out of shape at the slightest criticism of a Camaro.

It's not my fault my horse is high. I've sent him to rehab a dozen times and it's not helping.

Some, not all...as is the case anywhere you have a concentration of enthusiasts...but it certainly doesn't help the matter if posts like the ones I quoted are falsely applied to the entire community.

[hognutz]

my .02

the 83k price tag of a CTS-V keeps it way off my radar. I must be poor white trash but 60k is a lot for a toy car to me let alone 80k.

if the 2017 Zl1 is 75K or up it won't be on my radar at all either.


the last gen cars were not miles apart in price. I am hoping these cars will be.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by hognutz

my .02

the 83k price tag of a CTS-V keeps it way off my radar. I must be poor white trash but 60k is a lot for a toy car to me let alone 80k.

if the 2017 Zl1 is 75K or up it won't be on my radar at all either.


the last gen cars were not miles apart in price. I am hoping these cars will be.

yeah, and they could probably make nice margins at 72K, but my understanding is they purposefully inflated it as a strategy to get the high end BMW and Merc buyers' attention.
no thx