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el Wulf · 02-17-2018, 05:58 PM

Has anyone installed or used Detroit Speed solid bushing before & if so, how well do they perform? I like the idea that they're hardcoated instead of being just anodized...much prefer protection from the possibility of corrosion then looking pretty.

TWOFORTYZ · 02-17-2018, 07:01 PM

Anodizing is a "hard coating." I have no experience, but have also looked into their subframe bushings. I would use anti seize on the parts and wash the car regularly if worried about corrosion. Different metals like to corrode when touching each other.

el Wulf · 02-17-2018, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TWOFORTYZ

Anodizing is a "hard coating." I have no experience, but have also looked into their subframe bushings. I would use anti seize on the parts and wash the car regularly if worried about corrosion. Different metals like to corrode when touching each other.

Much appreciated! I honestly didn't think about it..but you're right, it does add a thin layer of protection....I remember anodizing aluminum parts when I was teenager with a battery charger, sulfuric acid, & Rye clothing dye. I just don't know if it is enough not to wear off with the operational stress that bushing are being subjected to. Whenever two dissimular bare metals touch, one of them will always corrode (whether they're cleaned regularly or not) through a chemical process known as "oxidation" & the inherent fact that metal always tries to convert back to its natural state. That's why engineers & manufacturers use hardware which has "anode" properties & the product itself has "cathode" properties, because it's less expensive to replace a rusted nut or bolt than the frame itself.

Synner · 02-17-2018, 09:45 PM

Your only other option is delrin, even firmer poly allows flex in this application. All of the aluminum ones are the same basic thing so just find the cheapest ones and cover with anti-seize. Many cars have aluminum frame components bonded to steel as part of their weight cutting from roughly 10 years back as a common occurrence today.

These bushings should never move in the cradle application so there shouldn't be wear to the protective coatings unless you damage something putting them in.

el Wulf · 02-17-2018, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Synner

Your only other option is delrin, even firmer poly allows flex in this application. All of the aluminum ones are the same basic thing so just find the cheapest ones and cover with anti-seize. Many cars have aluminum frame components bonded to steel as part of their weight cutting from roughly 10 years back as a common occurrence today.

These bushings should never move in the cradle application so there shouldn't be wear to the protective coatings unless you damage something putting them in.

Much appreciated...unfortunately Google spat out wrong info. I typed in "2011 Camaro solid subframe bushings" & it spit out solid body mounts for a '69 Camaro...why? I can only venture to guess. You're right, the new frames consist of both materials being bonded & will not corrode as long as both metals are encapsulated in the protective coating...it's only when exposed to air that oxidation will occur.

VR Baron · 02-17-2018, 10:24 PM

Dse erm to be the best out there. I had the subframe inserts for awhile and they noticeably reduced sideways movement in autocross. Now I run full poly bushings and they lock the rear down well. I noticed no discernible rear movement .

el Wulf · 02-17-2018, 11:16 PM

I should of known it was too good to be true when the price for the set of 4 DSE solid mounts along with 2 solid radiator core mounts for $150~lol. Crazy though that you can get 6 solid body mounts for $150, but 4 solid subframe mounts are $750. The local JC has courses in CNC fabrication as well as a great computer lab. Might just have to take a 3D scan of a solid subframe bushing, load it into the program, & CNC my own set & get a "A" in class for it at the same time...I already know how to anodize~lol. Maybe, even make a couple extra sets as Christmas gifts!

krisprz2010camaross · 02-18-2018, 12:15 AM

I have Pegasus aluminum rear subframe bushings and they have been fine. They are 2 pieces though. I didn’t find it about Detroit speeds’ one until after I installed them or else I would have. The car is way more stiff in the rear and more vibrations, but I don’t mind. Haha

olblue75 · 02-18-2018, 09:50 PM

I came a cross a crazy deal on a old set of PFADTs and I didn't notice any increased noise or vibration.

Crash76 · 02-19-2018, 06:36 AM

I run pegasus ... easy to install, car is planted, price is great... DSE requires u to remove
The rear end (90% sure), pegasus u can use blow torch and jack method...

JusticePete · 02-19-2018, 10:55 AM

A solid mount is pretty much a solid mount made from delrin or aluminum. Pegasus are not press in. DSE are press in. Then there is the almost ready for production JPSS...

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Olddudesrule · 02-19-2018, 06:18 PM

Can you give us a ball park price, Pete? I'm thinking about going with the Pegasus.....

JusticePete · 02-19-2018, 07:19 PM

Soon... between Pegasus and DSE. While all subframe bushings for the 5th Gen are very similar, our uppers are unique spreading the load in a

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Now who deleted the details???

JusticePete · 02-19-2018, 07:22 PM

Hmmm...

02-17-2018, 05:58 PM	#1
el Wulf Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Camaro Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chico, California Posts: 187 View My Garage	Detroit Speed Subframe Bushings Has anyone installed or used Detroit Speed solid bushing before & if so, how well do they perform? I like the idea that they're hardcoated instead of being just anodized...much prefer protection from the possibility of corrosion then looking pretty.

02-17-2018, 07:01 PM	#2
TWOFORTYZ Drives: 2015 Camaro 1SS 6M Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: The Freeway Posts: 238	Anodizing is a "hard coating." I have no experience, but have also looked into their subframe bushings. I would use anti seize on the parts and wash the car regularly if worried about corrosion. Different metals like to corrode when touching each other. __________________

02-18-2018, 12:15 AM	#8
krisprz2010camaross Drives: 2010 Camaro 2ss/Rs Transformers Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Yorba Linda, California Posts: 1,564	I have Pegasus aluminum rear subframe bushings and they have been fine. They are 2 pieces though. I didn’t find it about Detroit speeds’ one until after I installed them or else I would have. The car is way more stiff in the rear and more vibrations, but I don’t mind. Haha __________________ YouTube:Krisprz garage Insta:kris__perez & krisprz_garage LS3 conversion Vararam intake(tune model) Kooks LT headers & cats delete Corsa ZL1 3" exhaust RedBarn Racing Tune CMS Stage 3 Cam AFR CNC ported heads MSD Spark plug wires LNC-2000 Launch controller NGK TR6 Spark Plugs 1le strut tower brace-TPIS spacers Nick Williams 102mm throttle body Fast lsxr 102 intake manifold Slp 25% UDP Katech Tensioner Pulley Circle D 3600-3700 multi disk Stall GM 3.91 gears DDS carbon fiber driveshaft ZL1 fuel pump & injectors Flex fuel sensor(91/E85) https://wheelwell.com/kris-perez

02-18-2018, 09:50 PM	#9
olblue75 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clarksville Tennesse. Posts: 6,063	I came a cross a crazy deal on a old set of PFADTs and I didn't notice any increased noise or vibration. __________________ Orange Krush II 1LE Front sway bar, Splitter, shocks and struts, Z28 dual mode mufflers, Intake, UCA Bushings, and Toresen 3.91 Diff. 1 piece DSS Drive Shaft, ZL1/C7 Calipers, and 32mm JPSS Rear Bar. ASC race spec splitter and wicker. 6th Gen M017 Wheels. Stainless Works 1 7/8 LTs. DSE and PAFDT Suspension components.

02-19-2018, 06:18 PM	#12
Olddudesrule Resident nomad Drives: 2014 Summit White 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,765	Can you give us a ball park price, Pete? I'm thinking about going with the Pegasus..... __________________ Sold: 2007 Z06 2002 Viper GTS/ACR 2003 Z06 1965 FFR Cobra 2012 Nissan 370Z ADM LSA Stage II, Roto-Fab CAI, Kooks LTH/HFC's, Phastek CC, ported TB, Mishimoto radiator and oil cooler, BC Racing ER Series CO's, JPSS 32mm Black Magic rear bar, JPSS front inserts, R1 Concepts Premier slotted rotors/Goodrich SS lines, Schroth ASM harness, MGW flatstick, Brey-Krause HB, Tuned by NicD, at Cordes Performance Racing.

02-17-2018, 09:45 PM	#4
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,544	Your only other option is delrin, even firmer poly allows flex in this application. All of the aluminum ones are the same basic thing so just find the cheapest ones and cover with anti-seize. Many cars have aluminum frame components bonded to steel as part of their weight cutting from roughly 10 years back as a common occurrence today. These bushings should never move in the cradle application so there shouldn't be wear to the protective coatings unless you damage something putting them in.

02-17-2018, 10:24 PM	#6
VR Baron SoCal Camaro5 Race Team Drives: 2021 Shadow Grey Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SO CAL Posts: 14,287	Dse erm to be the best out there. I had the subframe inserts for awhile and they noticeably reduced sideways movement in autocross. Now I run full poly bushings and they lock the rear down well. I noticed no discernible rear movement .

02-17-2018, 11:16 PM	#7
el Wulf Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Camaro Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chico, California Posts: 187 View My Garage	I should of known it was too good to be true when the price for the set of 4 DSE solid mounts along with 2 solid radiator core mounts for $150~lol. Crazy though that you can get 6 solid body mounts for $150, but 4 solid subframe mounts are $750. The local JC has courses in CNC fabrication as well as a great computer lab. Might just have to take a 3D scan of a solid subframe bushing, load it into the program, & CNC my own set & get a "A" in class for it at the same time...I already know how to anodize~lol. Maybe, even make a couple extra sets as Christmas gifts!

02-19-2018, 06:36 AM	#10
Crash76 Team 913 Drives: '14 ZL1, '15 Jeep GC, ‘22 Ram 2500 Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: USA, Central CA Posts: 1,119	I run pegasus ... easy to install, car is planted, price is great... DSE requires u to remove The rear end (90% sure), pegasus u can use blow torch and jack method...

02-19-2018, 10:55 AM	#11
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,174	A solid mount is pretty much a solid mount made from delrin or aluminum. Pegasus are not press in. DSE are press in. Then there is the almost ready for production JPSS...

02-19-2018, 07:19 PM	#13
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,174	Soon... between Pegasus and DSE. While all subframe bushings for the 5th Gen are very similar, our uppers are unique spreading the load in a . . Now who deleted the details???

02-19-2018, 07:22 PM	#14
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,174	Hmmm... Attached Images