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Old 05-08-2009, 06:22 PM   #29
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AWD goes against the Camaro's heritage!!!
Does that mean we should go back to carburetors?

Camaro was cutting edge in the 1969.
It should be cutting edge in 2009.

Heritage only appeals to a certain percentage of buyers.
GM has to think about selling as many cars as possible and selling to the world...like the Germans.

BMW offers the 3 series in coupe/sedan, rear/awd, manual/auto/dual clutch.
Camaro/Zeta Sedan should be challenging, and BEATING, the 3 series.

I've purchased 2 brand new C6's is the last 3 years.
But, GM's decision not to offer an AWD sedan with a LSx engine FORCED me to buy an import.
I will never get over GM not offering a CTS with AWD and a LS3.
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Old 05-08-2009, 08:07 PM   #30
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Does that mean we should go back to carburetors?

Camaro was cutting edge in the 1969.
It should be cutting edge in 2009.

Heritage only appeals to a certain percentage of buyers.
GM has to think about selling as many cars as possible and selling to the world...like the Germans.

BMW offers the 3 series in coupe/sedan, rear/awd, manual/auto/dual clutch.
Camaro/Zeta Sedan should be challenging, and BEATING, the 3 series.

I've purchased 2 brand new C6's is the last 3 years.
But, GM's decision not to offer an AWD sedan with a LSx engine FORCED me to buy an import.
I will never get over GM not offering a CTS with AWD and a LS3.
Sorry to here that, But I don't think AWD is worth it unless you live in areas where it snows alot. AWD for the camaro would be a mistake. AWD basicaly gives you tracion at lower speeds at the cost of increased weight a bit lower fuel economy, and the AWD system robing power at higher speeds. Just my opinon.
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Old 05-08-2009, 08:11 PM   #31
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not a bad idea but not on the camaro, maybe on a 4 dr SS model as stated already
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Old 05-08-2009, 08:32 PM   #32
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I think it would still be plenty fast given the weight. Just look at how fast the Trailblazer SS and Jeep SRT8 is. Stock they both run 13.5 and the Jeep is quicker to 60 then the Charger SRT8.
I live in the snow country and would definetly buy awd Camaro SS. I'm all about 1/4 mile anyways. Imagine an AWD Camaro SS A6 with 3600 stall and some boost... 10's for sure. Its all about boosted launches, I do them often in my 500whp turbo diesel ram and get killer 60ft's.
If you are that serious you are much better off buying that Trailblazer SS and modifying it. There are heavily modified ones that run in the 10's now. Good luck.
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i like it, but mpg's would suck
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Old 05-11-2009, 01:51 AM   #34
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I have wondered why GM never made a smaller AWD car to compete with the Subaru's and MitsuPushi's.
Not everyone wants a big truck or a big bulky SUV to drive around in.

I thought the Cobalt SS would have been perfect for a Supercharged/Turbocharged AWD car.
Would have made a great WRC rally car!

Now I think the only North American AWD drive car GM has is a 3.6 Caddy CTS.
Or that I know of anyway. I actually considered one before ordering the Camaro.
Oooh a big V8 version would have been awesome!

A AWD Camaro...Hmmm... That would make a nice road racer and not just for Winter driving! Would give a new meaning to RS and be a true "Rally Sport" Camaro and maybe make a special version on it's own and just call it The HUGGER!
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Old 05-11-2009, 10:58 AM   #35
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I thought the Cobalt SS would have been perfect for a Supercharged/Turbocharged AWD car.
Would have made a great WRC rally car!
That would be very cool!
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:22 AM   #36
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A AWD Camaro...Hmmm... That would make a nice road racer and not just for Winter driving! Would give a new meaning to RS and be a true "Rally Sport" Camaro and maybe make a special version on it's own and just call it The HUGGER!
More like "The Pusher" as in understeer. AWD would probably add between 150-200 pounds to the front of the car. And while it would help you launch it would hurt you on the big end. If GM could come up with an AWD system which was strong, lightweight, smart enough to know when it's needed and when it isnt, and inexpensive, I'd be all for it. Just done see that happening.
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Old 05-11-2009, 12:04 PM   #37
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If GM could come up with an AWD system which was strong, lightweight, smart enough to know when it's needed and when it isnt, and inexpensive, I'd be all for it. Just done see that happening.
They do. They have a full time AWD on the Hummers that have been well tested, and they have Auto 4WD on all their trucks/suv's, that stays in 2WD regularly and uses wheel speed sensors and vehicle speed sensors to determine traction loss and it will automatically engage 4WD. They just don't see the need to adapt this system to a car (right now) and neither do I.
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I have the auto 4wd system on my pickup. It's great, I really like it, but when you're talking about a "rally car" or it's not comparable to a proper AWD system. It's perfect for normal driving in spotty conditions, probably not right for racing.

I don't know about the system on the Hummer, though it would surely have to be made smaller and lighter to use on a car.

I'm sure GM has a proper car-designed AWD system, though...someone a few posts back mentioned an AWD CTS.
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That's why I said they haven't adapted that particular system to a car. Except for the CTS, but my knowledge base on that one isn't as good. They could make it work, easily. All the computer inputs are there, just a little adaptive work on mechanical components. Besides, they have AWD systems for their crossovers. Makes it obvious it can be adapted for smaller applications. Like I said, they just don't see a need for this at this point in time.
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Old 05-11-2009, 04:31 PM   #40
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I can see both the pros and cons of having an AWD car, especially big V8 style. But really the Cons outweigh the Pros several fold.

Cons:
1. AWD adds weight because it needs a transfer case to the front wheels leading to a worse Power:weight ratio and worse fuel econ
2. It has higher drivetrain loss, meaning worse Fuel Econ and less power to the wheels that could be used up top
3. Understeer. just like in a FWD car you begin demanding to much of the front wheels

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1. distributes power to front wheels giving a greater net frictional force to be applied to acceleration. basically it gives you more grip where gearing is to low (1-2 gear) or shoddy road conditions.

This is really the only pro you get but its a huge one... if your using the car where it would apply. in rally cars its great because road conditions are always crap. the camaro however is a road racing car. roads are nearly perfect on race tracks. so basically you only get to use the pro for one maybe two parts... the vehicle launch and if you have a REALLY tight corner. instead of adding AWD though you could instead add larger tires. Larger tires also add greater net frictional force while only carying the second con (if you want to get technical it also has the first con but to a much lesser degree than an AWD system). Larger tires will have greater drag meaning worse fuel econ and more resistance (makes you slower up top). all in all AWD is great for a daily driver through the snow, but not so hot for a sports car... now if you want to push the camaro up to 550+ ft/lb tq then yes AWD begins to make sense where your only other option is to gear it higher to get the power in check... would make a great street car then.
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I leave awd to the foreign cars & trucks. I just cant see a Camaro with awd sorry
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