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MX2Forty · 07-17-2019, 05:16 PM

My son ran his 2010 RS out of fuel yesterday. After talking to him about the reasons you don't want to do that I jumped into getting it started. I figured this would be relatively easy. It has not been.
Battery seems to crank slowly even after a full charge. I am going to check all the secondary connections up to the front but it was fine before he ran it out of fuel? I pulled the fuel line off and I get fuel pumping when I turn the key to on so the fuel pump is good. Am I missing something? Trying to figure this out.
Thanks

sixty9fordkiller · 07-17-2019, 06:14 PM

how old is the car battery?

sixty9fordkiller · 07-17-2019, 06:16 PM

these cars are very fussy and all kinds of weird things happen when the battery is done. Been there done that. Windows don't close right, dash light, starting issues. My advice: Get the battery tested

DSX_Camaro · 07-17-2019, 06:59 PM

I mean, if you're on the original battery, change it.

MX2Forty · 07-17-2019, 07:47 PM

The battery is 16 months old. I pulled it out and ran it to a place to have it tested just in case. It tested fine. Rated at 800CCA and it was at 780CCA. Next I guess check connections?

DSX_Camaro · 07-17-2019, 08:11 PM

Shoot. Easiest stuff first I guess. Check starter?

sixty9fordkiller · 07-17-2019, 08:16 PM

Im not exactly familiar with a DI engine, but if its anything like an SFI system like a typical L99 or LS3, fuel coming out on top at the rails does not necessarily mean the pump is good all the time.

With that said, a no fuel or low fuel pressure will not cause a slow cranking issue. The motor will spin and spin (crank and crank) and struggle to fire up and may idle/miss if the pump is failing/failed but it will not struggle to turn/crank/spin

is there any possibility that maybe your son forgot to mention another symptom that the car may have been experiencing prior to running out of gas?

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MX2Forty · 07-17-2019, 09:14 PM

He said it gas was low and the light was on but he didn't think it had been on long enough to run out. That said, he also said he didn't know what running out of gas felt like because he never has. Oh to be that young!
He said he lost a lot of power and went in to limp mode and it had the StabiliTrak light on when I showed up but I figured that was from it running out of gas?
What is the best way to check the starter? It has 90,000miles on it and the timing chain replacement has been performed.
Thanks

sixty9fordkiller · 07-17-2019, 09:20 PM

starter needs to come off unless you take it in for a full charging/starting diagnosis but you can just table that for now

the car will not go into limp mode if it runs out of gas and thats your starting point

the car may have another problem and your son may have coincidentally ran out of gas

most importantly, it went into limp mode. So time to pull the codes. the car will tell you whats wrong with it. it can be a minor thing. pull the codes

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MX2Forty · 07-18-2019, 07:23 AM

He ran the code reader before I got there.
History of that read shows:
P0300 Random Misfire
P0302 Cylinder 2 Misfire
P0304 Cylinder 4 Misfire
P0306 Cylinder 6 Misfire
P0348 Cam Position Sensor "A" Circuit High Bank 2

Charged battery again last night.

sixty9fordkiller · 07-18-2019, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MX2Forty

He ran the code reader before I got there.

History of that read shows:

P0300 Random Misfire

P0302 Cylinder 2 Misfire

P0304 Cylinder 4 Misfire

P0306 Cylinder 6 Misfire

P0348 Cam Position Sensor "A" Circuit High Bank 2

Charged battery again last night.

well, cant tell for sure but hopefully its not the timing chain

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gutterball · 07-18-2019, 10:32 AM

How are the connections to the Batt.?? are they clean or oxidized?? Have you tried Jump starting it?? If you tried Jump starting and it still turns over slowly, I would think it's the starter

MX2Forty · 07-18-2019, 11:19 AM

I have tried jumping it and it does still crank slow but it is surprising to me that it doesn't fire.
On the timing chain, that was my initial fear as well but the Cloyes Timing Chain Kit was put in about 5000 miles ago and that seemed rock solid??

MX2Forty · 07-18-2019, 12:48 PM

The battery is fully charged and no cranking. Clicking from the front end of the car.
Check engine light is flashing.
Battery connections are very clean.
I'm kind of at a loss of what to do know. I guess I could pull the driver's side valve cover and try to get it to crank and see if the chain is moving?
I can't imagine that is it with a few months on the Cloyes kit.

07-17-2019, 05:16 PM	#1
MX2Forty Drives: 2010 Camaro RS Join Date: May 2019 Location: Kentucky Posts: 20	Ran out of gas! My son ran his 2010 RS out of fuel yesterday. After talking to him about the reasons you don't want to do that I jumped into getting it started. I figured this would be relatively easy. It has not been. Battery seems to crank slowly even after a full charge. I am going to check all the secondary connections up to the front but it was fine before he ran it out of fuel? I pulled the fuel line off and I get fuel pumping when I turn the key to on so the fuel pump is good. Am I missing something? Trying to figure this out. Thanks

07-17-2019, 06:14 PM	#2
sixty9fordkiller Donkey Dick Cam Camaro Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 M6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,998	how old is the car battery? __________________ Bone Stock

07-17-2019, 06:16 PM	#3
sixty9fordkiller Donkey Dick Cam Camaro Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 M6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,998	these cars are very fussy and all kinds of weird things happen when the battery is done. Been there done that. Windows don't close right, dash light, starting issues. My advice: Get the battery tested __________________ Bone Stock

07-17-2019, 06:59 PM	#4
DSX_Camaro Drives: 2013 SW 2LT/RS LFX/AY6 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,741	I mean, if you're on the original battery, change it. __________________ K&N CAI, 1LE Strut Tower Brace, Elite Engineering Catch Can and Clean Side Separator, Apex Scoop w/ Washer Relocation Kit, CTS Front Calipers and Rotors, JacFab Ported Intake Manifold, JacFab Intake Manifold Spacer, 80mm Overkill Throttle Body, SS Brake Lines, Ideal Garage Master Cylinder, Monster Twin Disc Clutch, NPP Retrofit w/ Magnaflow Resonated X, ARH Catless Downpipes, JRE Built 3.45 Diff, 1LE Axles, 1LE Hubs, Overkill Tuned, BMR Anti Wheel-hop Kit Stage I, ACS TL1 Hood Insert, ZL1 Spoiler

07-17-2019, 08:11 PM	#6
DSX_Camaro Drives: 2013 SW 2LT/RS LFX/AY6 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,741	Shoot. Easiest stuff first I guess. Check starter? __________________ K&N CAI, 1LE Strut Tower Brace, Elite Engineering Catch Can and Clean Side Separator, Apex Scoop w/ Washer Relocation Kit, CTS Front Calipers and Rotors, JacFab Ported Intake Manifold, JacFab Intake Manifold Spacer, 80mm Overkill Throttle Body, SS Brake Lines, Ideal Garage Master Cylinder, Monster Twin Disc Clutch, NPP Retrofit w/ Magnaflow Resonated X, ARH Catless Downpipes, JRE Built 3.45 Diff, 1LE Axles, 1LE Hubs, Overkill Tuned, BMR Anti Wheel-hop Kit Stage I, ACS TL1 Hood Insert, ZL1 Spoiler

07-17-2019, 07:47 PM	#5
MX2Forty Drives: 2010 Camaro RS Join Date: May 2019 Location: Kentucky Posts: 20	The battery is 16 months old. I pulled it out and ran it to a place to have it tested just in case. It tested fine. Rated at 800CCA and it was at 780CCA. Next I guess check connections?

07-17-2019, 08:16 PM	#7
sixty9fordkiller Donkey Dick Cam Camaro Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 M6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,998	Im not exactly familiar with a DI engine, but if its anything like an SFI system like a typical L99 or LS3, fuel coming out on top at the rails does not necessarily mean the pump is good all the time. With that said, a no fuel or low fuel pressure will not cause a slow cranking issue. The motor will spin and spin (crank and crank) and struggle to fire up and may idle/miss if the pump is failing/failed but it will not struggle to turn/crank/spin is there any possibility that maybe your son forgot to mention another symptom that the car may have been experiencing prior to running out of gas? Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk __________________ Bone Stock

07-17-2019, 09:14 PM	#8
MX2Forty Drives: 2010 Camaro RS Join Date: May 2019 Location: Kentucky Posts: 20	He said it gas was low and the light was on but he didn't think it had been on long enough to run out. That said, he also said he didn't know what running out of gas felt like because he never has. Oh to be that young! He said he lost a lot of power and went in to limp mode and it had the StabiliTrak light on when I showed up but I figured that was from it running out of gas? What is the best way to check the starter? It has 90,000miles on it and the timing chain replacement has been performed. Thanks

07-17-2019, 09:20 PM	#9
sixty9fordkiller Donkey Dick Cam Camaro Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 M6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,998	starter needs to come off unless you take it in for a full charging/starting diagnosis but you can just table that for now the car will not go into limp mode if it runs out of gas and thats your starting point the car may have another problem and your son may have coincidentally ran out of gas most importantly, it went into limp mode. So time to pull the codes. the car will tell you whats wrong with it. it can be a minor thing. pull the codes Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk __________________ Bone Stock

07-18-2019, 07:23 AM	#10
MX2Forty Drives: 2010 Camaro RS Join Date: May 2019 Location: Kentucky Posts: 20	He ran the code reader before I got there. History of that read shows: P0300 Random Misfire P0302 Cylinder 2 Misfire P0304 Cylinder 4 Misfire P0306 Cylinder 6 Misfire P0348 Cam Position Sensor "A" Circuit High Bank 2 Charged battery again last night.

07-18-2019, 10:32 AM	#12
gutterball Drives: 2014 1LS M6 Supercharged Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: New Britain, Ct Posts: 937 View My Garage	How are the connections to the Batt.?? are they clean or oxidized?? Have you tried Jump starting it?? If you tried Jump starting and it still turns over slowly, I would think it's the starter

07-18-2019, 11:19 AM	#13
MX2Forty Drives: 2010 Camaro RS Join Date: May 2019 Location: Kentucky Posts: 20	I have tried jumping it and it does still crank slow but it is surprising to me that it doesn't fire. On the timing chain, that was my initial fear as well but the Cloyes Timing Chain Kit was put in about 5000 miles ago and that seemed rock solid??

07-18-2019, 12:48 PM	#14
MX2Forty Drives: 2010 Camaro RS Join Date: May 2019 Location: Kentucky Posts: 20	The battery is fully charged and no cranking. Clicking from the front end of the car. Check engine light is flashing. Battery connections are very clean. I'm kind of at a loss of what to do know. I guess I could pull the driver's side valve cover and try to get it to crank and see if the chain is moving? I can't imagine that is it with a few months on the Cloyes kit. Last edited by MX2Forty; 07-18-2019 at 01:03 PM.