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derieu · 07-25-2017, 10:52 AM

--Update:
I've decided that I will most likely doing smaller ball bearing turbos for instant spool. I am now looking into the fuel system to run E85? Can anybody tell me the "theoretical difference" between running higher boost to achieve my HP goals on 93 versus lower boost on E85 to hit my HP Goals?

If I went the E85 route, what pieces would I need to complete the fuel system? Engine stuff is an unknown territory for me, but it looks like I will need a flex sensor and dual fore innovations 450 pumps. What will I need to support and control those pumps?

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Really debating going F/I instead of my all NA build next year, I want to do all of the maintaince/reliability add ons when ripping this part and rebuilding. What is everything I will need? I know this is a pretty broad question but I am new to the F/I side of things. As far as the engine goes, I am thinking:

New lifter trays, lifters w/ bronze bushings or more durable bearings
Blower cam w/ 3 bolt
C5r timing chain
New oil pump (high pressure and not volume?)
Fuel pump potentially?
Injectors
Flex fuel sensor for e85
Pushrods
Springs
Head studs
New gaskets/seals
Long tube headers
Better oil coolers

D1SC kit?

Throw in any advice/comments that you have! Planning for next year!

Also, what will the stock 2014 1LE manual trans/rear end handle before I have to upgrade?

AGP Turbo · 07-25-2017, 11:11 AM

We do 700whp on 100% stock LS3's on pump gas with our turbo systems. Your car already has the ZL1 pump so all we do in big injectors and a boost a pump for that.

Now if you want to go upwards of 800whp then a higher octane fuel like E85 is necessary. And to do a full flex fuel system you need a twin pump system with flex fuel sensor and bigger injectors. Still on 100% stock LS3 engine.

A supercharger will need a lot more mods since they are less efficient and will stress your engine 15-20% more.

jrhagen · 07-25-2017, 11:16 AM

See my signature.

camarosspower · 07-25-2017, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGP Turbo

We do 700whp on 100% stock LS3's on pump gas with our turbo systems. Your car already has the ZL1 pump so all we do in big injectors and a boost a pump for that.

Now if you want to go upwards of 800whp then a higher octane fuel like E85 is necessary. And to do a full flex fuel system you need a twin pump system with flex fuel sensor and bigger injectors. Still on 100% stock LS3 engine.

A supercharger will new a lot more mods since they are less efficient and will stress your engine 15-20% more.

Reason why I'm going turbo as soon as I can. Hopefully I'll make some of money back selling all the supercharger goodies

jeff657756 · 07-25-2017, 12:23 PM

My numbers with AGP base kit, AGP/Fore dual pump system on E60. Stock bottom end LS3 with cam. Not sure how much it would have made if we kept going.

684 604 @ 8 lbs
736 645 @ 9.7 lbs
824 716 @13.7 lbs

sprayedv · 07-26-2017, 02:34 PM

But turbos are soooo boring compared to a roots blower car.

Scotty D · 07-26-2017, 03:43 PM

Why is that ???

dreksnot · 07-26-2017, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprayedv

But turbos are soooo boring compared to a roots blower car.

Yep.

AGP Turbo · 07-26-2017, 04:13 PM

LOL

jrhagen · 07-26-2017, 04:26 PM

Interesting how nobody has addressed the trans, driveshaft, diff and axles yet.

My advice, upgrade them all and sell your stock parts before you grenade them.

dreksnot · 07-26-2017, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrhagen

Interesting how nobody has addressed the trans, driveshaft, diff and axles yet.

My advice, upgrade them all and sell your stock parts before you grenade them.

We all were waiting for you to do that. Done! And, that is very good advice to sell them while in good condition. Nobody wants a bucket full of gear. So, save your lunch money and get it all done right the first time because breaking crap sucks (and having to fix it).

jrhagen · 07-26-2017, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreksnot

We all were waiting for you to do that. Done! And, that is very good advice to sell them while in good condition. Nobody wants a bucket full of gear. So, save your lunch money and get it all done right the first time because breaking crap sucks (and having to fix it).

jrhagen · 07-26-2017, 05:14 PM

Additionally, if I had it to do over again, I probably would have gone twins. Just saying.

AGP Turbo · 07-26-2017, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrhagen

Additionally, if I had it to do over again, I probably would have gone twins. Just saying.

It's never too late

Toss an extra 300hp on your car, it's begging for it.

07-25-2017, 10:52 AM	#1
derieu Engineer Drives: 2014 Camaro 2SS RS 1LE Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 230	What do I need to hit 700-750whp? --Update: I've decided that I will most likely doing smaller ball bearing turbos for instant spool. I am now looking into the fuel system to run E85? Can anybody tell me the "theoretical difference" between running higher boost to achieve my HP goals on 93 versus lower boost on E85 to hit my HP Goals? If I went the E85 route, what pieces would I need to complete the fuel system? Engine stuff is an unknown territory for me, but it looks like I will need a flex sensor and dual fore innovations 450 pumps. What will I need to support and control those pumps? ----------- Really debating going F/I instead of my all NA build next year, I want to do all of the maintaince/reliability add ons when ripping this part and rebuilding. What is everything I will need? I know this is a pretty broad question but I am new to the F/I side of things. As far as the engine goes, I am thinking: New lifter trays, lifters w/ bronze bushings or more durable bearings Blower cam w/ 3 bolt C5r timing chain New oil pump (high pressure and not volume?) Fuel pump potentially? Injectors Flex fuel sensor for e85 Pushrods Springs Head studs New gaskets/seals Long tube headers Better oil coolers D1SC kit? Throw in any advice/comments that you have! Planning for next year! Also, what will the stock 2014 1LE manual trans/rear end handle before I have to upgrade? Last edited by derieu; 08-04-2017 at 08:37 AM.

07-25-2017, 11:11 AM	#2
AGP Turbo Drives: All things Turbocharged Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: AZ Posts: 1,199	We do 700whp on 100% stock LS3's on pump gas with our turbo systems. Your car already has the ZL1 pump so all we do in big injectors and a boost a pump for that. Now if you want to go upwards of 800whp then a higher octane fuel like E85 is necessary. And to do a full flex fuel system you need a twin pump system with flex fuel sensor and bigger injectors. Still on 100% stock LS3 engine. A supercharger will need a lot more mods since they are less efficient and will stress your engine 15-20% more. Last edited by AGP Turbo; 07-25-2017 at 12:00 PM.

07-25-2017, 12:23 PM	#5
jeff657756 Drives: 2014 SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: United States Posts: 660	My numbers with AGP base kit, AGP/Fore dual pump system on E60. Stock bottom end LS3 with cam. Not sure how much it would have made if we kept going. 684 604 @ 8 lbs 736 645 @ 9.7 lbs 824 716 @13.7 lbs __________________ https://instagram.com/jp_1le/

07-26-2017, 02:34 PM	#6
sprayedv Drives: 2012 CTS-V, 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Infront of you Posts: 281	But turbos are soooo boring compared to a roots blower car. __________________ 2012 CTS-V: Cosmetic Chute.

07-25-2017, 11:16 AM	#3
jrhagen Banned Drives: Camaro Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: USA Posts: 2,701	See my signature.

07-26-2017, 03:43 PM	#7
Scotty D Drives: 2014 1le 1SS CRMT Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Boston mass Posts: 1,178	Why is that ???

07-26-2017, 04:13 PM	#9
AGP Turbo Drives: All things Turbocharged Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: AZ Posts: 1,199	LOL

07-26-2017, 04:26 PM	#10
jrhagen Banned Drives: Camaro Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: USA Posts: 2,701	Interesting how nobody has addressed the trans, driveshaft, diff and axles yet. My advice, upgrade them all and sell your stock parts before you grenade them.

07-26-2017, 05:14 PM	#13
jrhagen Banned Drives: Camaro Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: USA Posts: 2,701	Additionally, if I had it to do over again, I probably would have gone twins. Just saying.