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davidscamaro · 07-06-2018, 09:29 PM

Did cam,long tubes no cats ,intake , full 3" outlaw catback

Did BMR toe and trail arms with there pro poly subframe bushings , BMR front and rear sway bar and there end links to go with them

305 45 18 Micky drag radials and race star wheels

Car just does not seem to have the power one would expect from a 450whp car , maybe the tires just hook to well to seem like it's lacking on power? Only done remote tuning with wideband so don't know if it's worth it to get dyno'ed for that extra power might pick up

TheFlyingBananaSS · 07-06-2018, 09:43 PM

You may need a dyno tune.

zz430camaro · 07-06-2018, 09:54 PM

My car is 485 rwhp and it is pretty quick feeling, when the tires hook up it halls ass. The better the tires the faster it feels, when the tires spin it slows the car down. Get it dyno'd and see where its at.

What cam is it?

jc615 · 07-07-2018, 06:31 AM

Take it to track and see what it runs.

JerTM · 07-07-2018, 09:54 AM

My 442 definitely doesn't feel slow to me. You may need a dyno tune.

GONIF · 07-07-2018, 11:28 AM

Check your canned tune .Without a proper tune you won't get the benefits from your mods. Did you data log it ?

Leo72793 · 07-07-2018, 11:50 AM

You mightve gotten bad gas. Could try syphening it out, and putting new fuel in.

John_C · 07-15-2018, 02:04 AM

Take it to the track and see what it does....

sinisterlsx510 · 07-15-2018, 10:53 AM

Needs a dyno tune... with a handheld tune or can tune u wont get the full benefit!

CrazyRED · 07-15-2018, 08:41 PM

It's all relative. I have over 700hp and I think it feels slow. I want it to feel like my R1 when accelerating. Some people are easily impressed, others spend money and want to feel something so they say they do(perfect example is the vitesse throttle controller), and others are realistic.

In my opinion 500 hp in these heavy cars is nothing. My '99 Z28 went 13.1 stock with a cold air and longtubes at Gainesville Raceway back in the early 2000's and it felt way faster. I have many miles of 1/4 mile passes, every week for a couple years. I'm not impressed by gimmicks or numbers.

John_C · 07-16-2018, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyRED

It's all relative. I have over 700hp and I think it feels slow. I want it to feel like my R1 when accelerating. Some people are easily impressed, others spend money and want to feel something so they say they do(perfect example is the vitesse throttle controller), and others are realistic.

In my opinion 500 hp in these heavy cars is nothing. My '99 Z28 went 13.1 stock with a cold air and longtubes at Gainesville Raceway back in the early 2000's and it felt way faster. I have many miles of 1/4 mile passes, every week for a couple years. I'm not impressed by gimmicks or numbers.

I think these newer cars numb the feeling a bit....

For instance, my 97 GT was a aluminum block PI swapped, 4r70w swapped to TR3550, full bolt-on car with 3:73's. 3,220lb (about 3,440lb with driver) car without driver.

The GT felt faster than my 2010 Camaro SS with Vararam and Corsa catback even though the SS was 4 tenths faster in the 1/4 mile. The Camaro was 4050lbs with me and 3/4 tank of fuel.

Now I'm closer to 500 whp and in the 11's but it still doesn't feel fast to me.

I don't think this 5th Gen will feel quick to me until I get in the 10's. LOL

CrazyRED · 07-16-2018, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by John_C

I think these newer cars numb the feeling a bit....

For instance, my 97 GT was a aluminum block PI swapped, 4r70w swapped to TR3550, full bolt-on car with 3:73's. 3,220lb (about 3,440lb with driver) car without driver.

The GT felt faster than my 2010 Camaro SS with Vararam and Corsa catback even though the SS was 4 tenths faster in the 1/4 mile. The Camaro was 4050lbs with me and 3/4 tank of fuel.

Now I'm closer to 500 whp and in the 11's but it still doesn't feel fast to me.

I don't think this 5th Gen will feel quick to me until I get in the 10's. LOL

I think you're onto something as far the "feel" of the new cars. The power is certainly more manageable. I can get into an old '70's Malibu with a shift kit and some decent engine mods and it feels like I'm being shot to the moon. Then again, when you're a passenger it always feels faster too.

I will also add that the mechanical throttle on the F body Camaros of the late 90's and early 2000's made it feel faster as well. These drive by wire throttles drive me crazy.

KW Baraka · 07-20-2018, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by davidscamaro

Did cam,long tubes no cats ,intake , full 3" outlaw catback

Did BMR toe and trail arms with there pro poly subframe bushings , BMR front and rear sway bar and there end links to go with them

305 45 18 Micky drag radials and race star wheels

Car just does not seem to have the power one would expect from a 450whp car , maybe the tires just hook to well to seem like it's lacking on power? Only done remote tuning with wideband so don't know if it's worth it to get dyno'ed for that extra power might pick up

It is possible.....that your cam sacrifices punch off the line and at low RPMs in order to achieve that 450HP peak.

Also.....if those 305/48-18 tires are a bigger diameter than your OEM tires then you have LOST effective gear ratio.

Finally, if you have the auto transmission but still have the OEM torque converter.....then hell.....you could say that's 'strike three'.

In other words, you can get more peak power with a cam swap, but unless you have the necessary accessories/bolt-ons, your car can lose quite a bit of off-the-line performance. BTW....a dyno will help you to see if this is the case and to what extent.

Best of luck!

KW

07-06-2018, 09:29 PM	#1
davidscamaro Drives: 2010 SS/RS M6 BIG cam Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: McDonald's DT Posts: 857	Car feels slow Did cam,long tubes no cats ,intake , full 3" outlaw catback Did BMR toe and trail arms with there pro poly subframe bushings , BMR front and rear sway bar and there end links to go with them 305 45 18 Micky drag radials and race star wheels Car just does not seem to have the power one would expect from a 450whp car , maybe the tires just hook to well to seem like it's lacking on power? Only done remote tuning with wideband so don't know if it's worth it to get dyno'ed for that extra power might pick up __________________ BIG cam ...... 305 45 18 Mickys ...... BMR suspensions

07-06-2018, 09:43 PM	#2
TheFlyingBananaSS Evil Genius of Chevrolet Drives: 2017 Z06, 2019 XTS, 2013 SS Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New York Posts: 3,260	You may need a dyno tune. __________________ GPI SS2 VVT cam, ECS Novi 1500 supercharger, Corsa Extreme, Detroit Speed and BMR suspension, Circle D triple disc, Melling oil pump, LS2 chain tensioner, ATI 10% UD, DSX E85 kit, High Energy coils, BTR springs, LS2 Lifter trays, Titanium retainers, hardened push rods, FIC 1000 injectors, ZL1 pump, Mighty Mouse catch can, AEM gauges, Tial BOV, Richmond 3.91 gears, Custom gauge bezels, Speed Engineering headers, Stainless Works HF cats, DSX Aux pump, 710rwhp on E85.

07-07-2018, 11:28 AM	#6
GONIF Drives: 73 VETTE ,, 05 2500hd diesel,14 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The Left lane PHOENIX AZ Posts: 2,626	Check your canned tune .Without a proper tune you won't get the benefits from your mods. Did you data log it ? __________________ OLD GUY FLYING FAST AND LOW

07-07-2018, 11:50 AM	#7
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07-15-2018, 02:04 AM	#8
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07-06-2018, 09:54 PM	#3
zz430camaro Drives: 2015 1LE Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,485	My car is 485 rwhp and it is pretty quick feeling, when the tires hook up it halls ass. The better the tires the faster it feels, when the tires spin it slows the car down. Get it dyno'd and see where its at. What cam is it?

07-07-2018, 06:31 AM	#4
jc615 Account Suspended Drives: Camaro and Sierra Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 795	Take it to track and see what it runs.

07-07-2018, 09:54 AM	#5
JerTM Drives: 2011 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Utah Posts: 1,941	My 442 definitely doesn't feel slow to me. You may need a dyno tune.

07-15-2018, 10:53 AM	#9
sinisterlsx510 Drives: 14 ss camaro summit white Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: bay area Posts: 463	Needs a dyno tune... with a handheld tune or can tune u wont get the full benefit! __________________ 2014 ss camaro Stainless works long tubes , rotofab cai , vararam wedge , muffler delete,cat delete ,resonator delete , x pipe 2019 sierra duramax 2500 all terrain x 2001 trans am Lsx 408 ci rebuild in progress(dead project) 1967 camaro Sbc 327.

07-15-2018, 08:41 PM	#10
CrazyRED Drives: 2014 2SS RS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: St Petersburg, Fl Posts: 372	It's all relative. I have over 700hp and I think it feels slow. I want it to feel like my R1 when accelerating. Some people are easily impressed, others spend money and want to feel something so they say they do(perfect example is the vitesse throttle controller), and others are realistic. In my opinion 500 hp in these heavy cars is nothing. My '99 Z28 went 13.1 stock with a cold air and longtubes at Gainesville Raceway back in the early 2000's and it felt way faster. I have many miles of 1/4 mile passes, every week for a couple years. I'm not impressed by gimmicks or numbers.