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Moreair1 · 06-21-2016, 03:22 PM

Interesting article atleast I think
http://www.lsxmag.com/tech-stories/e...-the-winner-is

christianchevell · 06-21-2016, 05:22 PM

Notice they did not do a break down on the LS engine and its costs so here it goes:

Cheap LS crate engine complete: 6500-7500
Ported stock GMPP heads $1250
Springs for cam $300
Cam GMPP LSA which is mild...$ 400, should have went ASA....
Various: head bolts, gaskets, balancer bolt, fuel rails, oil pump, chain dampener, better chain. ? 500$

SO the GM uses a new engine, new heads compared to a used ford...WTF
And it still kicks it ARSE royally with the weak stock Blower cam......

Just goes to show, Chevy rules.......oh yes and resell the stock heads with the perfectly new everything......which still would have made about the same power.

erickangulo · 06-21-2016, 05:48 PM

Wow. Nice.

Black_SS10 · 06-21-2016, 06:04 PM

Nice Read.

LT1Zob · 06-21-2016, 08:11 PM

Thanks for sharing

2010reddevil · 06-22-2016, 01:00 AM

It's a BS article and build. They wasted money in unnecessary parts. The rods and pistons didn't have to be changed out on the Coyote, and they used NSR cams but bought aftermarket springs? Dumbasses.............SMH. The test was rigged totally in favor of the LSx. I like both engines, but FFS, if you wanna compare a 5.0L engine to another, then do it against one of similar displacement, 5.3L LSx. Start with that and go from there. The 6.2L has the tq advantage of course because of the longer stroke. Longer stroke and more displacement = more tq. And to top it off, they used CNC ported heads on the LSx and didn't do ANY head work to the Coyote. Pathetic really............. I like both of them but this test was total BS. And before any swingers chime in and say, "The LSx is lighter" I don't consider 12lbs anything to mention, really. The Coyote is physically bigger, yes. But you gotta give it to Ford for making a dohc V8 that's just as lightweight as a LSx.

BlaqWhole · 06-22-2016, 02:08 AM

Ok cool. But which one sells more...??

2010reddevil · 06-22-2016, 02:39 AM

Last I checked, there's more Mustang's on the road than Camaro's. What's your point?

Jasper · 06-22-2016, 06:47 AM

I thought the Camaro outsold Mustang year over year until the new Stang came out. Also, the Coyote didn't come out till 2011 I think (1yr after Camaro was out with 6.2L LS3) not to mention the LS3 was used in the Vette prior correct?

Would a 6.2L DOHCCoyote even fit in the Mustang Engine bay? Perhaps not and so I would say it's a fair comparison (5L v.s 6.2L) since they output close to the same power level. With that said, this is an article published by LSX mag, so it is likely biased. What's amazing to me is when I looked up fuel economy numbers and saw that even with 1.2L of extra displacement, the two engines were almost equal for consumption.

J

christianchevell · 06-22-2016, 06:56 AM

SO chuckles...... the test was rigged in favor of the 5.slow........... with a used engine in the parts department they must have thought it needed the pistons to make it worthy compared to a LS crate engine, oh yes and stock CNC ported heads so much more make the build they cost a extra $200........... andit was not a LSX but a common crate engine with the lame LSA stock cam.... the head work to the coyote was in the form of four friggin cams...COUNT EM. And theres more Priuses than mustangs ..... your point.

Sticking up for a rubber band, overhead cammed , Much more expensive to build 5.0 is not going to get you much for friendliness, sure they don't show the LS costs, sure they could have done them up more, sure they could use stock slugs on the coyote and work the heads, and the LS could have been used with a LSA conversion.........for that cost it so could have kicked the Coyotes arse in terms of money spent, and really blown it out of the water with FI for the LS for that cost as their money is just parts. But hey they rigged it for the coyote mostly.............

Repooh · 06-22-2016, 07:17 AM

Moreair1 · 06-22-2016, 07:21 AM

Here is the ls3 build, this was actually done by engine labs not ls magazine, I believe hotrod also ran the article
http://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tec...lding-the-ls3/

gajagfan · 06-22-2016, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moreair1

Here is the ls3 build, this was actually done by engine labs not ls magazine, I believe hotrod also ran the article
http://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tec...lding-the-ls3/

Where are the results of this test?

HDRDTD · 06-22-2016, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christianchevell

Notice they did not do a break down on the LS engine and its costs so here it goes:

Cheap LS crate engine complete: 6500-7500
Ported stock GMPP heads $1250
Springs for cam $300
Cam GMPP LSA which is mild...$ 400, should have went ASA....
Various: head bolts, gaskets, balancer bolt, fuel rails, oil pump, chain dampener, better chain. ? 500$

SO the GM uses a new engine, new heads compared to a used ford...WTF
And it still kicks it ARSE royally with the weak stock Blower cam......

Just goes to show, Chevy rules.......oh yes and resell the stock heads with the perfectly new everything......which still would have made about the same power.

This article spanned several issues. You have to go back to the issue where they detailed the LS3 build, and here it is with full details of what they did along with a complete cost list.

http://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tec...lding-the-ls3/

06-21-2016, 03:22 PM	#1
Moreair1 Drives: 2011 ss convertible Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,329 View My Garage	Final results ls3 vs coyote 10k build Interesting article atleast I think http://www.lsxmag.com/tech-stories/e...-the-winner-is __________________ Cai intake and a few other mods😎

06-21-2016, 05:22 PM	#2
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,587 View My Garage	Notice they did not do a break down on the LS engine and its costs so here it goes: Cheap LS crate engine complete: 6500-7500 Ported stock GMPP heads $1250 Springs for cam $300 Cam GMPP LSA which is mild...$ 400, should have went ASA.... Various: head bolts, gaskets, balancer bolt, fuel rails, oil pump, chain dampener, better chain. ? 500$ SO the GM uses a new engine, new heads compared to a used ford...WTF And it still kicks it ARSE royally with the weak stock Blower cam...... Just goes to show, Chevy rules.......oh yes and resell the stock heads with the perfectly new everything......which still would have made about the same power. __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop

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06-22-2016, 01:00 AM	#6
2010reddevil Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Victory Red 6M Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Gulf Coast, TX Posts: 1,424	It's a BS article and build. They wasted money in unnecessary parts. The rods and pistons didn't have to be changed out on the Coyote, and they used NSR cams but bought aftermarket springs? Dumbasses.............SMH. The test was rigged totally in favor of the LSx. I like both engines, but FFS, if you wanna compare a 5.0L engine to another, then do it against one of similar displacement, 5.3L LSx. Start with that and go from there. The 6.2L has the tq advantage of course because of the longer stroke. Longer stroke and more displacement = more tq. And to top it off, they used CNC ported heads on the LSx and didn't do ANY head work to the Coyote. Pathetic really............. I like both of them but this test was total BS. And before any swingers chime in and say, "The LSx is lighter" I don't consider 12lbs anything to mention, really. The Coyote is physically bigger, yes. But you gotta give it to Ford for making a dohc V8 that's just as lightweight as a LSx. __________________ 2011 2SS 6A Red Jewel Metallic, Vararam Tune CAI, Magnaflow 3" Competition c/b, Speed Engineering 1-7/8 LT's, Circle D 5C, M/T 275/40R20 S/S, HPTuners tune by Ryan@GPI 12.3 @ 112 ACM as of 12/22/19 Gone on 12/28/19 R I P 2010 2SS 6M Victory Red/Black (old ride) CAI intake, Speed Engineering 1 7/8" LT's, X4 base tune, Flowmaster Outlaw axle-back. 12.6 @ 115 SAR as of 9/19/15 Gone but never forgotten.

06-21-2016, 05:48 PM	#3
erickangulo Drives: 2014 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Valley Center Posts: 186	Wow. Nice.

06-22-2016, 02:08 AM	#7
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	Ok cool. But which one sells more...??

06-22-2016, 02:39 AM	#8
2010reddevil Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Victory Red 6M Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Gulf Coast, TX Posts: 1,424	Last I checked, there's more Mustang's on the road than Camaro's. What's your point? __________________ 2011 2SS 6A Red Jewel Metallic, Vararam Tune CAI, Magnaflow 3" Competition c/b, Speed Engineering 1-7/8 LT's, Circle D 5C, M/T 275/40R20 S/S, HPTuners tune by Ryan@GPI 12.3 @ 112 ACM as of 12/22/19 Gone on 12/28/19 R I P 2010 2SS 6M Victory Red/Black (old ride) CAI intake, Speed Engineering 1 7/8" LT's, X4 base tune, Flowmaster Outlaw axle-back. 12.6 @ 115 SAR as of 9/19/15 Gone but never forgotten.

06-22-2016, 06:47 AM	#9
Jasper Drives: 2011 Summit White Camaro SS (LS3) Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Welland, Ontario Canada Posts: 542	I thought the Camaro outsold Mustang year over year until the new Stang came out. Also, the Coyote didn't come out till 2011 I think (1yr after Camaro was out with 6.2L LS3) not to mention the LS3 was used in the Vette prior correct? Would a 6.2L DOHCCoyote even fit in the Mustang Engine bay? Perhaps not and so I would say it's a fair comparison (5L v.s 6.2L) since they output close to the same power level. With that said, this is an article published by LSX mag, so it is likely biased. What's amazing to me is when I looked up fuel economy numbers and saw that even with 1.2L of extra displacement, the two engines were almost equal for consumption. J __________________ Mods: Vararam intake, Solo axleback, VTC, Overkill in-car Tune, 3.91's. Last edited by Jasper; 06-22-2016 at 07:03 AM.

06-22-2016, 06:56 AM	#10
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,587 View My Garage	SO chuckles...... the test was rigged in favor of the 5.slow........... with a used engine in the parts department they must have thought it needed the pistons to make it worthy compared to a LS crate engine, oh yes and stock CNC ported heads so much more make the build they cost a extra $200........... andit was not a LSX but a common crate engine with the lame LSA stock cam.... the head work to the coyote was in the form of four friggin cams...COUNT EM. And theres more Priuses than mustangs ..... your point. Sticking up for a rubber band, overhead cammed , Much more expensive to build 5.0 is not going to get you much for friendliness, sure they don't show the LS costs, sure they could have done them up more, sure they could use stock slugs on the coyote and work the heads, and the LS could have been used with a LSA conversion.........for that cost it so could have kicked the Coyotes arse in terms of money spent, and really blown it out of the water with FI for the LS for that cost as their money is just parts. But hey they rigged it for the coyote mostly............. __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop

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06-22-2016, 07:21 AM	#12
Moreair1 Drives: 2011 ss convertible Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,329 View My Garage	Here is the ls3 build, this was actually done by engine labs not ls magazine, I believe hotrod also ran the article http://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tec...lding-the-ls3/ __________________ Cai intake and a few other mods😎