Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Roto-Fab
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Members Area > General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 05-13-2019, 10:55 AM   #1
Snoman
H-Town Camaro Club
 
Snoman's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Dusk Edition 2SS/M6/Sun/NPP
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,234
2019 CTS-Fail

This article from CNBC sums it up perfectly.

"100k glossed over Chevy"
"If you don't care about interiors, this car is perfect for you"


Sadly, it's hard to argue with sales and as long as they continue to sell, then GM shall continue making them.
Snoman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2019, 11:10 AM   #2
JerTM

 
JerTM's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS M6
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Utah
Posts: 1,941
I absolutely despise the Cadillac "touch" buttons on the radio. Even the late 90s touch buttons were better at registering touch.
JerTM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2019, 11:45 AM   #3
ssrs2lt


 
ssrs2lt's Avatar
 
Drives: too many
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: oh va pa ma tx
Posts: 3,046
Great car interior looks like any other GM product.. Not separating themselves
__________________
ssrs2lt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2019, 11:57 AM   #4
lbls1


 
lbls1's Avatar
 
Drives: 2002 Camaro SS SOM; 2015 Malibu LTZ
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 4,013
I don't know what they're talking about. The CTS-V is GM's and the brand's best sedan. It was responsible for restoring respect back to Cadillac, and it put its rivals (especially BMW) on notice that the biggest and the baddest isn't necessarily the costliest.

Cadillac will be (in my opinion) in for some hard times without their example of the finest sedan that GM has to offer.
__________________
'02 CAMARO SS SOM; 5.7L LS1/FLS6B
'08 TBSS AWD Black Granite Metallic
'15 Malibu LTZ 2LZ Turbo

'14 CAMARO ZL1 Blue Ray Metallic
lbls1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2019, 04:51 PM   #5
DGthe3
Moderator.ca
 
DGthe3's Avatar
 
Drives: 05 Grand Am GT
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Niagara, Canada
Posts: 25,372
Send a message via MSN to DGthe3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snoman View Post
This article from CNBC sums it up perfectly.

"100k glossed over Chevy"
"If you don't care about interiors, this car is perfect for you"


Sadly, it's hard to argue with sales and as long as they continue to sell, then GM shall continue making them.
The article was a lot more positive than those two negative quotes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CNBC Auto's
Rating:
Exterior: 4
Interior: 2
Driving Experience: 5
Value: 4.5
Overall: 3.9
Price as tested: $106,180
*Ratings out of 5.

Also, GM has either already ended, or will soon end, production of the CTS-V since the CTS (along with the ATS) is getting replaced with the CT5.
__________________
Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them
__________________
Originally Posted by FbodFather
My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors......
........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!!
__________________

Camaro Fest sub-forum
DGthe3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2019, 06:03 PM   #6
Iron Lung Jimmy

 
Drives: Iron Lung, Jimmy
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 1,440
This is the summary from the article -

The CTS-V offers an extreme amount of performance for the dollar. It’s capable of ferrying five people in relative comfort to 200 mph, a speed some supercars can’t reach. It looks good, handles well and is a ton of fun on the road. It’s totally usable as a daily driver and comfortable to drive.

It’s not the most luxurious or modern option. It doesn’t represent the next big thing or the future of Cadillac. But it’s rolling proof that, when the company wants to build the best performance sedan for the money, it’s capable of accomplishing that mission. We hope that, even as the focus shifts toward SUVs, Cadillac will keep making compelling sedans that make our hearts race.


So how is that a failure?
Iron Lung Jimmy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 12:12 AM   #7
Bhobbs


 
Bhobbs's Avatar
 
Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Chino, CA
Posts: 6,987
Because GM is repeatedly hammered for their interiors and never address the issues.
__________________
Bhobbs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 05:39 PM   #8
Iron Lung Jimmy

 
Drives: Iron Lung, Jimmy
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 1,440
The Cadillac interior seems pretty nice to me.

But if a person's priorities lie in interior appointments rather than vehicle dynamics they could spend an extra $20-30K and get an M5 or AMG E63.
Iron Lung Jimmy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2019, 08:18 AM   #9
lbls1


 
lbls1's Avatar
 
Drives: 2002 Camaro SS SOM; 2015 Malibu LTZ
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 4,013
You have to expect a deficit somewhere if a car maker is offering you a competitive class car for a discounted price. A car that is on the level of an M5 or AMG E63 for thousands less you'd expect it to have concessions somewhere. BTW I'm not all that floored by the Bavarian interiors (they are good), and the Cadillac does a respectable job with providing a luxurious interior (in fact, all of GM's brands have improved in its interiors). However, materials and labor costs money, and if you want the finest grade of leather and stitch count, then expect your Caddy (which already can trounce most sedans in its class) to cost much more than 100k.
__________________
'02 CAMARO SS SOM; 5.7L LS1/FLS6B
'08 TBSS AWD Black Granite Metallic
'15 Malibu LTZ 2LZ Turbo

'14 CAMARO ZL1 Blue Ray Metallic
lbls1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2019, 12:54 AM   #10
JamesNoBrakes


 
JamesNoBrakes's Avatar
 
Drives: 2SS 1LE
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: AK
Posts: 2,292
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhobbs View Post
Because GM is repeatedly hammered for their interiors and never address the issues.
Be specific, what is inferior about their interior? I look at german cars and I see plenty of plastic in there, so either we are just ignoring that or there's something I'm not seeing, so what is it?
__________________
Everything happens for a reason, except when it doesn't, but even then, you can, in hindsight, fabricate a reason that satisfies your belief system.

2018 2SS 1LE
2023 Colorado ZR2
2022 Stinger GT-line AWD
JamesNoBrakes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2019, 11:48 AM   #11
mr_honez
Wifey Lover
 
mr_honez's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Crystal Red 2LT/RS
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Bastrop, Texas
Posts: 1,541
I would definitely own one if I could afford to. Tell me in 5 to 10 years how the interior of the BMW/Mercedes looks when the engine in them doesn't work and its costs a small fortune to repair them.
__________________
mr_honez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2019, 12:42 PM   #12
JamesNoBrakes


 
JamesNoBrakes's Avatar
 
Drives: 2SS 1LE
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: AK
Posts: 2,292
Here are some pictures that someone recently posted of their brand new RS5. I circled the plastic parts. I would absolutely encourage anyone that thinks a certain interior is "far better" to post similar pictures so we can see where the plastic is. I believe people are so far biased in this direction that they can't see the forest for the trees.
Attached Images
     
__________________
Everything happens for a reason, except when it doesn't, but even then, you can, in hindsight, fabricate a reason that satisfies your belief system.

2018 2SS 1LE
2023 Colorado ZR2
2022 Stinger GT-line AWD
JamesNoBrakes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2019, 08:29 AM   #13
lbls1


 
lbls1's Avatar
 
Drives: 2002 Camaro SS SOM; 2015 Malibu LTZ
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 4,013
^That's more plastic than in my Malibu's interior. Shame.
__________________
'02 CAMARO SS SOM; 5.7L LS1/FLS6B
'08 TBSS AWD Black Granite Metallic
'15 Malibu LTZ 2LZ Turbo

'14 CAMARO ZL1 Blue Ray Metallic
lbls1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2019, 09:56 AM   #14
DGthe3
Moderator.ca
 
DGthe3's Avatar
 
Drives: 05 Grand Am GT
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Niagara, Canada
Posts: 25,372
Send a message via MSN to DGthe3
Who said that the problem is the mere use of plastics? In a modern car, most of the interior surface is going to be made up of plastic panels, unless you literally wrap everything in leather or something. I mean, whats the alternative? Sheet metal everywhere? More wood panelling than a 1970s basement? Using plastic isn't the problem.



The complaints regarding the plastic in GM's interiors are generally about the quality of those plastics (surface texture/graining, hard vs soft) and the fitment (gaps, edges). Cadillac also frequently gets dinged for having too many material types in the design of their interior. Glossy plastic and carbon fibre and (faux?) aluminum and hard plastic and soft plastic and smooth plastic and grained plastic and and and. That kind of a mis-mash is generally a sign of poor design and/or cheap execution. Bad design because having too many materials looks like a collection of parts, not a unified design. Cheap execution because they're sticking bad plastic anywhere they think they can get away with it -instead of using higher quality stuff for a little bit more.
__________________
Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them
__________________
Originally Posted by FbodFather
My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors......
........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!!
__________________

Camaro Fest sub-forum
DGthe3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:29 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.