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Old 10-12-2011, 05:48 PM   #141
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Let me just reiterate that this car is freakin' ASTOUNDING.

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Old 10-12-2011, 06:11 PM   #142
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This video of the ZL1 is totally awesome. It is a testament of the ZL1's prowess on the track. I wish I had waited for this particular model. Nevertheless, I'm very happy with my SS Camaro. Just inquiring what the horsepower rating is on the ZL1? I was told by a GM source that it would exceed the CTS-V's horsepower.
Also, does anyone know what MSRP is for this vehicle ?
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:09 AM   #143
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Horsepower is 580
Torque is 556

MSRP is not yet announced

Here is a link to the sticky with the cliff notes. (highlights)

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170254


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Old 10-13-2011, 02:11 PM   #144
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That is f---ing awesome 172 down the back straight he had his hands full though.
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Old 10-13-2011, 02:21 PM   #145
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That is f---ing awesome 172 down the back straight he had his hands full though.
It ticked up to 173 for a split-second right before he decelerated.
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Old 10-13-2011, 04:21 PM   #146
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I just watched this video for about the 100th time. Forgive me if I've missed any post prior to mine, but has anyone noticed the telemetry on the throttle and brakes? It looks to me that when on the brakes, the track and 'G indicator glow nice and a rich red. When there's no throttle or brake input, it's pretty much black, or a dark cobalt. When Mr. Link is on the gas, though, it's a nice rich green.

While it's crazy-easy for me to play a back-seat-driver, and while my direct experience with the 'Ring is embarassingly limited only to video games, it seems to me that there was a potential to lean on the gas more than he had, on the whole. I will absolutely recognize that not knowing the dynamics of ZL1 over the portions while I've noticed he was hardly applying throttle are probably because he's at or near the limit of the car, when I've done some minor driving, I'm either on the gas or on the brake slowing down. There were many times down the back straight where he wasn't accelerating, and many times earlier in the track where it was similar. Again, I'm sure it wasn't for a lack of nerves. I am only suggesting that there could be more potential with even better tires and future tuning, like ZR1 and Z06 have enjoyed.

My hat is off to Mr. Link, though - honestly. I know I couldn't drive that fast, though, I might think I could from time-to-time That was a GREAT run
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Old 10-13-2011, 04:35 PM   #147
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I just watched this video for about the 100th time. Forgive me if I've missed any post prior to mine, but has anyone noticed the telemetry on the throttle and brakes? It looks to me that when on the brakes, the track and 'G indicator glow nice and a rich red. When there's no throttle or brake input, it's pretty much black, or a dark cobalt. When Mr. Link is on the gas, though, it's a nice rich green.

While it's crazy-easy for me to play a back-seat-driver, and while my direct experience with the 'Ring is embarassingly limited only to video games, it seems to me that there was a potential to lean on the gas more than he had, on the whole. I will absolutely recognize that not knowing the dynamics of ZL1 over the portions while I've noticed he was hardly applying throttle are probably because he's at or near the limit of the car, when I've done some minor driving, I'm either on the gas or on the brake slowing down. There were many times down the back straight where he wasn't accelerating, and many times earlier in the track where it was similar. Again, I'm sure it wasn't for a lack of nerves. I am only suggesting that there could be more potential with even better tires and future tuning, like ZR1 and Z06 have enjoyed.

My hat is off to Mr. Link, though - honestly. I know I couldn't drive that fast, though, I might think I could from time-to-time That was a GREAT run
Radz.. I noticed the same thing. It would be my opinion that a career professional racer would have been in the green a bit more as well. Just my opinion. Good thing he didn't sneeze anyway!!
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Old 10-13-2011, 04:52 PM   #148
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Radz.. I noticed the same thing. It would be my opinion that a career professional racer would have been in the green a bit more as well. Just my opinion. Good thing he didn't sneeze anyway!!
Right?! lol. That's still my favorite video
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Old 10-13-2011, 07:04 PM   #149
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I just watched this video for about the 100th time. Forgive me if I've missed any post prior to mine, but has anyone noticed the telemetry on the throttle and brakes? It looks to me that when on the brakes, the track and 'G indicator glow nice and a rich red. When there's no throttle or brake input, it's pretty much black, or a dark cobalt. When Mr. Link is on the gas, though, it's a nice rich green.

While it's crazy-easy for me to play a back-seat-driver, and while my direct experience with the 'Ring is embarassingly limited only to video games, it seems to me that there was a potential to lean on the gas more than he had, on the whole. I will absolutely recognize that not knowing the dynamics of ZL1 over the portions while I've noticed he was hardly applying throttle are probably because he's at or near the limit of the car, when I've done some minor driving, I'm either on the gas or on the brake slowing down. There were many times down the back straight where he wasn't accelerating, and many times earlier in the track where it was similar. Again, I'm sure it wasn't for a lack of nerves. I am only suggesting that there could be more potential with even better tires and future tuning, like ZR1 and Z06 have enjoyed.

My hat is off to Mr. Link, though - honestly. I know I couldn't drive that fast, though, I might think I could from time-to-time That was a GREAT run
The telemetry is a traction circle. green is acceleration (go), red is braking (stop) and blue is lateral acceleration If you are outside the circle you would likely be experiencing slippage of the tires. The fact that he is not deep into the green in certain parts of the track isn't necessarily because he doesn't floor the gas pedal or isn't on it hard. I believe it has more to do with how fast he iis accelerating at the time. When you floor it at 50 mph its going to accelerate a lot faster than when you floor it at 100. I think that is more likely what you are seeing rather than him not giving it full throttle.
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Old 10-13-2011, 07:25 PM   #150
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The telemetry is a traction circle. green is acceleration (go), red is braking (stop) and blue is lateral acceleration If you are outside the circle you would likely be experiencing slippage of the tires.
I believe the circle represents 1G of acceleration. The location of the dot represents the sum of acceleration at that moment in time. This may seem to indicate the grip limit of the tires but only by coincidence. If the dot is straight up or down there is no lateral acceleration. A combination of acceleration or deceleration while turning causes the dot to go off center. I think the colors indicate driver inputs - red = braking, blue = steering, etc. The darker the color, the more input to the driver control.
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I just watched this video for about the 100th time. Forgive me if I've missed any post prior to mine, but has anyone noticed the telemetry on the throttle and brakes? It looks to me that when on the brakes, the track and 'G indicator glow nice and a rich red. When there's no throttle or brake input, it's pretty much black, or a dark cobalt. When Mr. Link is on the gas, though, it's a nice rich green.

While it's crazy-easy for me to play a back-seat-driver, and while my direct experience with the 'Ring is embarassingly limited only to video games, it seems to me that there was a potential to lean on the gas more than he had, on the whole. I will absolutely recognize that not knowing the dynamics of ZL1 over the portions while I've noticed he was hardly applying throttle are probably because he's at or near the limit of the car, when I've done some minor driving, I'm either on the gas or on the brake slowing down. There were many times down the back straight where he wasn't accelerating, and many times earlier in the track where it was similar. Again, I'm sure it wasn't for a lack of nerves. I am only suggesting that there could be more potential with even better tires and future tuning, like ZR1 and Z06 have enjoyed.

My hat is off to Mr. Link, though - honestly. I know I couldn't drive that fast, though, I might think I could from time-to-time That was a GREAT run
Just maybe they are not showing all there cards yet. Plus the gaurd rails there are really close to the track one mistake and the car is toast. He had some pretty good corner speeds for a heavy car. I think he left some on the table though.
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I just watched this video for about the 100th time. Forgive me if I've missed any post prior to mine, but has anyone noticed the telemetry on the throttle and brakes? It looks to me that when on the brakes, the track and 'G indicator glow nice and a rich red. When there's no throttle or brake input, it's pretty much black, or a dark cobalt. When Mr. Link is on the gas, though, it's a nice rich green.

While it's crazy-easy for me to play a back-seat-driver, and while my direct experience with the 'Ring is embarassingly limited only to video games, it seems to me that there was a potential to lean on the gas more than he had, on the whole. I will absolutely recognize that not knowing the dynamics of ZL1 over the portions while I've noticed he was hardly applying throttle are probably because he's at or near the limit of the car, when I've done some minor driving, I'm either on the gas or on the brake slowing down. There were many times down the back straight where he wasn't accelerating, and many times earlier in the track where it was similar. Again, I'm sure it wasn't for a lack of nerves. I am only suggesting that there could be more potential with even better tires and future tuning, like ZR1 and Z06 have enjoyed.

My hat is off to Mr. Link, though - honestly. I know I couldn't drive that fast, though, I might think I could from time-to-time That was a GREAT run
A professional driver with 40 laps around the track... I am sure he got the best time out of it he could. At the cost to go run the car GM is not going to put a subpar number out there if they know they can beat it. These runs are stock factory cars so you are seeing the limits of the car. The ZL1 will never compete with the ZR1 around the Ring simply due to aerodynamics. Sorry but the Camaro is a big blocky car and not really made to track. Its more of a drag car if anything... but it still put some respectable numbers down. I have been watching these Ring runs for a while since I am a former Viper owner. I hate seeing the "what ifs" starting to fly... and it always happens. Bottom line is its a factory car (no tune, no upgraded tires... just the way you buy it off the showroom floor) and they will have a first class driver. Sure they may get a second or two more out of it... but not 20 seconds to get it close to the ZR1.... or 30+ to get it near the Viper ACR.
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The telemetry is a traction circle. green is acceleration (go), red is braking (stop) and blue is lateral acceleration If you are outside the circle you would likely be experiencing slippage of the tires. The fact that he is not deep into the green in certain parts of the track isn't necessarily because he doesn't floor the gas pedal or isn't on it hard. I believe it has more to do with how fast he iis accelerating at the time. When you floor it at 50 mph its going to accelerate a lot faster than when you floor it at 100. I think that is more likely what you are seeing rather than him not giving it full throttle.
It would be nice to know whether that was actually a throttle/brake input rather than the actual 'G reading of the car itself. I understand where you're coming from, though

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I believe the circle represents 1G of acceleration. The location of the dot represents the sum of acceleration at that moment in time. This may seem to indicate the grip limit of the tires but only by coincidence. If the dot is straight up or down there is no lateral acceleration. A combination of acceleration or deceleration while turning causes the dot to go off center. I think the colors indicate driver inputs - red = braking, blue = steering, etc. The darker the color, the more input to the driver control.


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Just maybe they are not showing all there cards yet. Plus the gaurd rails there are really close to the track one mistake and the car is toast. He had some pretty good corner speeds for a heavy car. I think he left some on the table though.
I completely agree! It'd be pretty embarassing to drive that car right off the track

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A professional driver with 40 laps around the track... I am sure he got the best time out of it he could. At the cost to go run the car GM is not going to put a subpar number out there if they know they can beat it. These runs are stock factory cars so you are seeing the limits of the car. The ZL1 will never compete with the ZR1 around the Ring simply due to aerodynamics. Sorry but the Camaro is a big blocky car and not really made to track. Its more of a drag car if anything... but it still put some respectable numbers down. I have been watching these Ring runs for a while since I am a former Viper owner. I hate seeing the "what ifs" starting to fly... and it always happens. Bottom line is its a factory car (no tune, no upgraded tires... just the way you buy it off the showroom floor) and they will have a first class driver. Sure they may get a second or two more out of it... but not 20 seconds to get it close to the ZR1.... or 30+ to get it near the Viper ACR.
There's no way I'm suggesting the improvement you're suggesting I am. I thank you for clarifying where you're loyaties lie, though...
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