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camguynj · 04-27-2021, 08:34 PM

Looking for thoughts on Beehive or Dual springs for the following cam
218/.603 228/.595 114+4

silversleeper · 04-27-2021, 08:37 PM

Beehive unless you are going to play near redline often.

morepowerjoe · 04-28-2021, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by silversleeper

Beehive unless you are going to play near redline often.

agreed.

TheFlyingBananaSS · 04-28-2021, 07:00 AM

You may as well go BTR duals like everyone else. You are sure to want more power in time and this way you will be all set.

Avenging Orange · 04-28-2021, 09:08 AM

Flip a coin on this one. I think with your lift, you are approaching dual territory anyhow. But, a quality set I'd beehive is easier (imo) on valvetrain. I have recently been in your position (bit smaller cam though) and was almost swayed to the dual side....but I'm sticking to the good success I have had with a "quality" set of beehives.
Good luck.

silversleeper · 04-28-2021, 10:53 AM

The cam you chose sounds like a great choice for fun on the street but not max performance with max hp drawbacks.
I tried to look it up by specs and didn't find it because it looked like what I'd want but did find some info related to our discussion
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...l#post19520989

https://cammotion.com/camshafts/tita...217-225-114-2/

And this well known company with good reputation also puts this type of cam at either a quality beehive or dual springs, up to you.

The only caveat is if the lobe profile really jerks the valvetrain around "aggressive" or it is smooth as cammotion chose with this sort of lift duration family of cams. If it's jerky to gain that extra 4hp then duals are a must.

Edit: PAC springs are a good choice for Beehives just be careful where you order them from. Like fake GM ACDELCO spark plugs that melt, there are fake PAC springs around so don't order from sketchy websites like amazon or ebay unless it is a trusted company using that platform.
Here you see a more reliable seller and see if a website sponsor sells them IDK those offhand
https://www.texas-speed.com/p-6431-p...-pac-1219.aspx

G8One2 · 04-28-2021, 02:38 PM

PSI 1511ML springs would be my recommendation, as long as your staying with LS3 hollow stems.

camguynj · 05-05-2021, 07:04 PM

Thanks guys for all the feedback. Much appreciated! Decided to go with dual springs kit after talking with CamMotion. They said I could go with Beehives but duals are more durable and with their kit you get all new seals/retainers/locks as well for only a little more $

1JEWLDSSRS · 05-06-2021, 11:47 AM

Good choice sir..

G8One2 · 05-06-2021, 03:04 PM

TheFlyingBananaSS · 05-06-2021, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by camguynj

Thanks guys for all the feedback. Much appreciated! Decided to go with dual springs kit after talking with CamMotion. They said I could go with Beehives but duals are more durable and with their kit you get all new seals/retainers/locks as well for only a little more $

Smart move. Don't forget trunions.

1JEWLDSSRS · 05-06-2021, 06:56 PM

We have mine apart to swap the springs out and my builder wasn't sure which trunions were in there, turns out they are Smith Brothers. Look pretty good... And yea like banana says, you might as well do them now since you have it all apart, save from doing it later when the stockers fail on ya.

camguynj · 05-06-2021, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFlyingBananaSS

Smart move. Don't forget trunions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1JEWLDSSRS

We have mine apart to swap the springs out and my builder wasn't sure which trunions were in there, turns out they are Smith Brothers. Look pretty good... And yea like banana says, you might as well do them now since you have it all apart, save from doing it later when the stockers fail on ya.

Oh yea ...CHE Trunnion kit ordered FTW

1JEWLDSSRS · 05-07-2021, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by camguynj

Oh yea ...CHE Trunnion kit ordered FTW

Very cool...

04-27-2021, 08:34 PM	#1
camguynj Drives: '13 SS/RS LS3 BRM Cammed NPP Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: NJ Posts: 3,812 View My Garage	Beehive or Dual Springs Looking for thoughts on Beehive or Dual springs for the following cam 218/.603 228/.595 114+4

04-28-2021, 07:00 AM	#4
TheFlyingBananaSS Evil Genius of Chevrolet Drives: 2017 Z06, 2019 XTS, 2013 SS Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New York Posts: 3,260	You may as well go BTR duals like everyone else. You are sure to want more power in time and this way you will be all set. __________________ GPI SS2 VVT cam, ECS Novi 1500 supercharger, Corsa Extreme, Detroit Speed and BMR suspension, Circle D triple disc, Melling oil pump, LS2 chain tensioner, ATI 10% UD, DSX E85 kit, High Energy coils, BTR springs, LS2 Lifter trays, Titanium retainers, hardened push rods, FIC 1000 injectors, ZL1 pump, Mighty Mouse catch can, AEM gauges, Tial BOV, Richmond 3.91 gears, Custom gauge bezels, Speed Engineering headers, Stainless Works HF cats, DSX Aux pump, 710rwhp on E85.

04-28-2021, 09:08 AM	#5
Avenging Orange Drives: 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Clermont, IN Posts: 3,297	Flip a coin on this one. I think with your lift, you are approaching dual territory anyhow. But, a quality set I'd beehive is easier (imo) on valvetrain. I have recently been in your position (bit smaller cam though) and was almost swayed to the dual side....but I'm sticking to the good success I have had with a "quality" set of beehives. Good luck. __________________ 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS M6 Black Leather, Sun Roof, OBX Headers, Borla touring axle back, Cold Air Inductions CAI , non synthetic fluids, BMR total bushing upgrade/1" lowering springs, DSE 32mm rear sway bar. GM fe4 shocks/struts/LCA's, AAM 3.91 diff, Vertini RFS1.8 20x9 +30. Conti ExtremeContact Sport 275/35/20. sjm autoprod ABL dash kit. Mike Norris tuned 413/419. Avenging Orange: 43 years of not buying into the Hype........and damn proud of it!! https://youtu.be/9JD9it6SmB8 https://youtu.be/xmelTlEzI34 KICKING CANCERS ASS SINCE 2015!!

04-28-2021, 10:53 AM	#6
silversleeper Big Crow Drives: '13 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: California Posts: 1,483	The cam you chose sounds like a great choice for fun on the street but not max performance with max hp drawbacks. I tried to look it up by specs and didn't find it because it looked like what I'd want but did find some info related to our discussion https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...l#post19520989 https://cammotion.com/camshafts/tita...217-225-114-2/ And this well known company with good reputation also puts this type of cam at either a quality beehive or dual springs, up to you. The only caveat is if the lobe profile really jerks the valvetrain around "aggressive" or it is smooth as cammotion chose with this sort of lift duration family of cams. If it's jerky to gain that extra 4hp then duals are a must. Edit: PAC springs are a good choice for Beehives just be careful where you order them from. Like fake GM ACDELCO spark plugs that melt, there are fake PAC springs around so don't order from sketchy websites like amazon or ebay unless it is a trusted company using that platform. Here you see a more reliable seller and see if a website sponsor sells them IDK those offhand https://www.texas-speed.com/p-6431-p...-pac-1219.aspx Last edited by silversleeper; 04-28-2021 at 11:11 AM.

05-06-2021, 11:47 AM	#9
1JEWLDSSRS Drives: 2011 SS-RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 11,402	Good choice sir.. __________________ TSP STAGE 3 CAM,231/246 @112 LSA 614/641 LIFT, CIRCLE D 5C-4200-4500 CONVERTER,LOD INTAKE.CORSA EXHAUST. DSS 1 PC DS. PEGASUS SOLID CRADLE MOUNTS. 486RWHP/475RWTQ.LOTS MORE.

04-27-2021, 08:37 PM	#2
silversleeper Big Crow Drives: '13 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: California Posts: 1,483	Beehive unless you are going to play near redline often.

04-28-2021, 02:38 PM	#7
G8One2 Drives: 2014 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 492	PSI 1511ML springs would be my recommendation, as long as your staying with LS3 hollow stems.

05-05-2021, 07:04 PM	#8
camguynj Drives: '13 SS/RS LS3 BRM Cammed NPP Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: NJ Posts: 3,812 View My Garage	Thanks guys for all the feedback. Much appreciated! Decided to go with dual springs kit after talking with CamMotion. They said I could go with Beehives but duals are more durable and with their kit you get all new seals/retainers/locks as well for only a little more $

05-06-2021, 06:56 PM	#12
1JEWLDSSRS Drives: 2011 SS-RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 11,402	We have mine apart to swap the springs out and my builder wasn't sure which trunions were in there, turns out they are Smith Brothers. Look pretty good... And yea like banana says, you might as well do them now since you have it all apart, save from doing it later when the stockers fail on ya. __________________ TSP STAGE 3 CAM,231/246 @112 LSA 614/641 LIFT, CIRCLE D 5C-4200-4500 CONVERTER,LOD INTAKE.CORSA EXHAUST. DSS 1 PC DS. PEGASUS SOLID CRADLE MOUNTS. 486RWHP/475RWTQ.LOTS MORE.