Camaro VS 370Z

[TomServo]

The only "Z" I would buy is a Z06 or ZR1.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

So your argument is there is a conspiracy to spread false times for 350z's?

isnt he just saying those times were on modded cars?........

[levi1922]

haha,
gator, you will stand up for your imports till the end wont you?

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Wesman

For $37K I'd expect to get a real motor, not some pile of crap out of a Nissan Maxima.

The VQ series engines have made Ward's Top 10 14 out of the last 15 years. Calling it crap is crazy.

I drove one aggressively when I worked at a dealership, I thought if felt just fine. Nothing crazy or worth complaining about. Corvettes have always sounded like crap because of their y pipe's and you don't find too many complaints on those even though they are $50+ k cars.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

isnt he just saying those times were on modded cars?........

Yea he is. But those numers are for stock cars.

Originally Posted by levi1922

haha,
gator, you will stand up for your imports till the end wont you?

I have nothing against them. Ill stand up for the better car everytime no matter what that may be.

Its nice to think Americans build all the best cars, but its ignorant.

[DDA_Skull]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

And a Cobalt SS will get raped by a used STi for 5k less than that.

Lol you can't keep saying. "Oh yeah, well this car would get raped by this other car that costs less used." Its more of a general comparison between walking out the door with a new car. Cause a used Corvette would rape the STI.

See its just a game. Alot of people like to play it too.
A kid at my work wanted the new camaro, but instead decided to buy a older used one for $10k. All he could say to me is, "With an extra 5k into this car i will be able to kick your ass." I could serously care less, I'm buying the new Camaro for its looks, and its badassiness. If thats even a word. LOL

[DDA_Skull]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Yea he is. But those numers are for stock cars.




I have nothing against them. Ill stand up for the better car everytime no matter what that may be.

Its nice to think Americans build all the best cars, but its ignorant.

The only point people are trying to make is that you keep going back to the 07 STI. Its better, we get it. You will just need to ask them why they decided to make the new ones worse? Its just a normal comparison you see everyday. A cheaper car, that performs better then the more expencive one in most tests. Corvette= Perfect Example.

[Phenix]

One thing people need to remember is that cars are not all about the numbers (I know, I know- I posted a pure numbers comparison earlier). There's so much more going on that comes down to personal preference- driving feel, exterior, interior, brand loyalty etc. The problem you get on most forums is people think the cars they like are the best ever made and that the competitors are POS. Sitting here and comparing 1/4 mile times and 0-60 times won't tell you which is a better car. You can always find numbers on a car that you can say 'car X is better than car Y because...' For example, the Cobalt SS is better than the Camaro because it's way cheaper and can easily be modded to run with it in the 1/4. Or the Jetta is better because it has a more useable backseat. If it was all about trap speeds and ETs we'd all be squeezing LS motors in Ariel Atoms...

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by DDA_Skull

Lol you can't keep saying. "Oh yeah, well this car would get raped by this other car that costs less used." Its more of a general comparison between walking out the door with a new car. Cause a used Corvette would rape the STI.

See its just a game. Alot of people like to play it too.
A kid at my work wanted the new camaro, but instead decided to buy a older used one for $10k. All he could say to me is, "With an extra 5k into this car i will be able to kick your ass." I could serously care less, I'm buying the new Camaro for its looks, and its badassiness. If thats even a word. LOL

Originally Posted by DDA_Skull

The only point people are trying to make is that you keep going back to the 07 STI. Its better, we get it. You will just need to ask them why they decided to make the new ones worse? Its just a normal comparison you see everyday. A cheaper car, that performs better then the more expencive one in most tests. Corvette= Perfect Example.

First off i feel obligated to point out that a Chevy Fanboy started this by trying to say the Cobalt SS is better than the 350z, which is a obvious error.

Second, the STi is better. Hell id take the new slower and dulled down STi over the Cobalt just because it looks better, sounds better, and has better build quality.

Used cars are a better value than new cars, so really if you want to pay 10k-15k more for updated (not always better) looks and a warranty which will keep you from having the max amount of fun with your car than thats great, good for you.

As for the Corvette... ya it probably would. But that didnt get brought into the conversation due to it being priced WAY outside the price range. Wasn't quite Logical.

[Design1stCode2nd]

The New Cobalt SS is a good car for its price. I just wouldn't own a FWD car that has performance intentions. Have you sat in a Cobalt? Not really a quality environment when compared to its competition, Mazda 3, Civic, or even Focus.

You can say XYZ car is faster than a Porsche Boxster and XXXXX cheaper but it doesn't make it the better car.

You can take any old used car say an Evo IX and make it a giant slayer with $20k in mods that will trash a new M3 or 911. I'd still buy the M3 because in the end it's still just a really fast Lancer. (Same goes for my STI.)

For these kinds of comparisons it’s probably just best to stick with magazine racing because there are plenty of times the slower or more poorly performing car gets purchased. People like what they like.

For some reason I don’t really like the Corvette, it’s an amazing machine and wonderful performance for the price but it just doesn’t do anything for me. I’d rather have new/used Camaro SS, TT-S, S5, M3, Z4M, 370z, Elise, etc.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Design1stCode2nd

The New Cobalt SS is a good car for its price. I just wouldn't own a FWD car that has performance intentions. Have you sat in a Cobalt? Not really a quality environment when compared to its competition, Mazda 3, Civic, or even Focus.

You can say XYZ car is faster than a Porsche Boxster and XXXXX cheaper but it doesn't make it the better car.

You can take any old used car say an Evo IX and make it a giant slayer with $20k in mods that will trash a new M3 or 911. I'd still buy the M3 because in the end it's still just a really fast Lancer. (Same goes for my STI.)

For these kinds of comparisons it’s probably just best to stick with magazine racing because there are plenty of times the slower or more poorly performing car gets purchased. People like what they like.

For some reason I don’t really like the Corvette, it’s an amazing machine and wonderful performance for the price but it just doesn’t do anything for me. I’d rather have new/used Camaro SS, TT-S, S5, M3, Z4M, 370z, Elise, etc.

Z4M or Elise FTW.



Driving an Elise feels like driving a small Airplane

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

So your argument is there is a conspiracy to spread false times for 350z's?

Its the internet. People can post up whatever they want. Time slip or not, nobody knows if the car was stock. No mods available?? Ever heard of DR's or slicks??

Which is why I don't believe those times at all. Typical ricers trying to make their cars look faster than they are. Considering the weight and stock power of the car, its not happening.

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

The VQ series engines have made Ward's Top 10 14 out of the last 15 years. Calling it crap is crazy.

I drove one aggressively when I worked at a dealership, I thought if felt just fine. Nothing crazy or worth complaining about. Corvettes have always sounded like crap because of their y pipe's and you don't find too many complaints on those even though they are $50+ k cars.

Corvettes sound like crap?? First of all, Corvettes sound excellent. Second of all, Corvette's don't use a Y-pipe. So apparently you were listening to the completely wrong vehicle. Never, ever have I read a review in which a negative comment was made about the Corvette's exhaust.

The VQ sounds like what it is...a naturally unbalanced, small displacement V6. Which is not a good thing to say the least. The best thing I can relate it to is a chainsaw on steriods. I've driven plenty myself, there is nothing good about the VQ. It doesn't do anything better than any other engine. Why have a rough V6 when you could have a world class V8 that makes more power and torque, sounds 10 times better, and gets the same fuel economy?? It makes no sense.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

First off i feel obligated to point out that a Chevy Fanboy started this by trying to say the Cobalt SS is better than the 350z, which is a obvious error.

Considering its faster and handles better, I'd say you're making the error, import fanboy.

Quality wise the Cobalt is better too. The Cobalt's interior is no benchmark of quality, but after being in the 350Z, even playskool toys seem like they have higher quality plastics.

Second, the STi is better. Hell id take the new slower and dulled down STi over the Cobalt just because it looks better, sounds better, and has better build quality.

Looks are subjective. I'd say the Cobalt SS looks infinitely better than the new STI, which looks like an overweight hatchback blob with a suzuki grille. The new STi's are also not very good quality, transmissions are failing left and right.

Look at this Long term test from C&D, the car is falling aprt with issues. Basically its had an entirely new drivetrain and now they are having engines that the dealer can't seem to resolve. This is not an isolated incident either, many owners have reported the same problems:

C&D Long Term Test 2008 WRX STI

So much for your "superior import quality".

[JMM1181]

Originally Posted by Wesman

Its the internet. People can post up whatever they want. Time slip or not, nobody knows if the car was stock. No mods available?? Ever heard of DR's or slicks??

Which is why I don't believe those times at all. Typical ricers trying to make their cars look faster than they are. Considering the weight and stock power of the car, its not happening.

So according to you the Z is getting low 14's in the quarter mile yet with "DR's or Slicks' can manage to pull almost a full second off it's quarter mile time? What about these runs? Are you going to explain those ones away too? What do you do with the fact that various members are hitting 13.1's and 13.2's bone stock and there have been plenty of witnesses to the tracks to testify to that fact? Truth hurts, get over it, Cobalt's certainly a great value for the money but you cannot continue to say that stock it's 'faster' than a newer Z, compare any of the 'official' reviews and you'll come face to face, once again, with this hard truth. Have a nice day.