Rear subframe bushing help - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

1977and2010 · 04-20-2010, 02:39 PM

What all is involved in changing out rear subframe bushings? Any special tools needed, alignment. Does the cradle need to come completely out? Please help.

Info@PeddersUSA.com · 04-20-2010, 07:13 PM

I see you need some help with a little body role. LOL

I have done quite a few complete subframe bushings. They are acutally pretty easy.

Check this link and you can actually see the tool that I use.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76732

Using the tool takes about 2-3 minutes a bushing.

But it can be donw without our special Pedders tool, and without removing the subframe.

1. You will have to lower the subframe about 6 inches, remove the black metal covers on each of the subframes. They are tight and will require significant prying off.

2. Drill a large hole thru the rubber

3. With a reciprical saw, core the rubber out of the bushing

4. CAREFULLY cut a 1 inch strip of the outer fiberglass jacket out and then cut another slice 180 degrees. SPECIAL PRECAUTION. USE EXTREME CARE NOT TO CUT INTO THE SUBFRAME EYELET. IF YOU DO CUT INTO IT, MAKE SURE YOU SAND OUT THE SHARP EDGES. POLY DOES NOT LIKE SHARP EDGES

5. At least for our Pedders complete bushings, EP1201 and EP1201HD, we want toe eyelets very clean. The OE units use a blue glue or sealer of some kind that must be removed from the eyelets so our poly bushing is
tight up against the metal eyelets.

6. Install the bushings and raise the subframe back into the body, with care aligning the rear pins to the bushings.

Please note the bolts are seriously tight on the rear subframe and is important to torque them correctly

Does this help?

thanks
mike
dms

1977and2010 · 04-20-2010, 09:20 PM

That's exactly what I was looking for thanks a lot.

1977and2010 · 04-21-2010, 03:46 PM

DMS that is funny you should say that because I am still waiting for my solution B sway bars. They were ordered dec 10 2009 from precision motorsports in odessa fl. Whats the deal?

IPS Brandon · 04-21-2010, 04:38 PM

How about this option

These are relatively straight forward to install and are a very nice upgrade for your intended use, auto crossing. In fact the car that won the auto cross at 5fest was using these bushings.
Here is a video of them in action

As for installation, you will need to drop the rear cradle which is really relatively easy and can be done with some jack stands.
I would encourage you to review these instructions to give you an in depth perspective into the install http://www.pfadtracing.com/blog/wp-c...stallation.pdf

Also if you are are tired of waiting and would like an equivalent product I have Pfadt sport sways on the shelf ready to ship

, and I would be happy to get you a Camaro5 Member deal.

Hope some of this information may be enlightening, please message me or contact me if you would like any further information.

Good luck

1977and2010 · 04-21-2010, 06:50 PM

I'm seriously considering that. If I hadn't paid already I'd be all over it. If they don't came in very very soon I'm jumping ship.

PfadtRacing · 04-21-2010, 07:12 PM

Thank you Brandon, for posting up with the Pfadt info. Yes this past weekend was great for us, considering our suspension was featured on both of the class winners! The street tire class winner only had our 1.25" Drop Springs and Sport Sway Bars installed!

Anyway, 1977and2010, the install ins not that bad. If you have done a couple DIY modifications this will be no problem for you. Our Rear Subframe Bushings are solid, and are the ultimate solution to reducing any type of subframe movement on your Camaro. Take a look at the video! Thanks for your time.

Info@PeddersUSA.com · 04-21-2010, 07:29 PM

Pedders offers 3 levels of subframe bushing performance. No one else does.
They are:

1. EP1200 inserts that are good to 500 rear hp
2. EP1201 that are good for over 500hp at the rear
3. EP1201HD. These units are animal!! You cannot make enough hp at the rear to distort of move these. They are as hard as delrin. Here is what they look like installed:

THE REAR PEDDERS EP1201HD SERIOUSLY HD SUBFRAME BUSHING

FRONT PEDDERS EP1201HD SERIOUSLY HD SUBFRAME BUSHING

thanks
mike
dms
They have been track proven! You will not be dissapointed

*radz28* · 04-22-2010, 05:10 PM

I hate to likely shoot myself in the foot, but I gotta' ask:

Are there any videos of the Pedders solutions for the rear subframe? I have to admit that I'm torn between those and the Pfadt, but we have a video of one, and not the other. Obviously - I don't want to have to pay more than I have to, and if the polys hold the subframe like the solids, that's enough for me; I'd like to see about any videos though.

I'm not calling anyone out because I LOVE BOTH of these companies, but I had to ask... I can't be the only one to have, at least, thought about the question.

Respectfully...

Info@PeddersUSA.com · 04-22-2010, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radz282003

I hate to likely shoot myself in the foot, but I gotta' ask:

Are there any videos of the Pedders solutions for the rear subframe? I have to admit that I'm torn between those and the Pfadt, but we have a video of one, and not the other. Obviously - I don't want to have to pay more than I have to, and if the polys hold the subframe like the solids, that's enough for me; I'd like to see about any videos though.

I'm not calling anyone out because I LOVE BOTH of these companies, but I had to ask... I can't be the only one to have, at least, thought about the question.

Respectfully...

We upgraded all of our cameras to hd versions. But they are too large to put and mount underneath to show.

But I will do this: get our EP1201HD, and put them in. If you are not satisfied with the control they offer, then return them for a full refund. Just keep the box. Would a 2 weeks be enough time for you to evaluate them? The EP1201HDs are the bushings that Paul Tracy had in the Camaro when he kicked butt at the Optima Challenge.

So not only can you save some money with our HD units, you do not have to remove the subframe to do them. That will save you 3-5 hours of labor.

email me or call me if you need further info.

thanks
mike
dms

*radz28* · 04-22-2010, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dms

We upgraded all of our cameras to hd versions. But they are too large to put and mount underneath to show.

But I will do this: get our EP1201HD, and put them in. If you are not satisfied with the control they offer, then return them for a full refund. Just keep the box. Would a 2 weeks be enough time for you to evaluate them? The EP1201HDs are the bushings that Paul Tracy had in the Camaro when he kicked butt at the Optima Challenge.

thanks
mike
dms

Well - I think that answers my question

Again - I had to ask out of curiosity. I'd take you up on that sweet offer, but I need a Z28 first

Thanks again.

Info@PeddersUSA.com · 04-22-2010, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radz282003

Well - I think that answers my question

Again - I had to ask out of curiosity. I'd take you up on that sweet offer, but I need a Z28 first

Thanks again.

I take it you are in Sacromento? Drive down to Livermore, and I will assist you in installing them!!. We can take a bunch of pictures, and show this awesome community how we can do it in their driveway!!

mike
dms

*radz28* · 04-22-2010, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dms

I take it you are in Sacromento? Drive down to Livermore, and I will assist you in installing them!!. We can take a bunch of pictures, and show this awesome community how we can do it in their driveway!!

mike
dms

If the offer stands when I finally order my ride, I'll take you up on it. Chances are, I'll ask to visit your shop before that anyways, lol

oachalon · 04-22-2010, 09:42 PM

Radz i am in the exact same position as you. I am getting an edelbrock supercharger and i figure as soon as i get it installed, i am going to see some downfalls of the stock bushings and suspension. I do not plan on taking my car to a track (might still do it though), or do serious racing, but when i punch the gas i want to make sure its solid, no wheel hop, and nothing that will cause the car to want to go out of control.

Im down to the pedders EP1201 and the pfadt one. I would like to fix any problems caused by the stock bushings but keep NVH as stock as possible. I love the look and machining done on the Pfadt one, but i just cant see how a solid mount will not increase noise dramatically.

Also im worried about going to a hard urethane or solid bushing because at some point the bushing is going to move, and since the bushing will be made of a hard material wont that potentially wear the subframe? The factory bushings are soft so during any movement the bushing will give before the subframe.

Please correct me if im wrong, but in my eyes if i put a hard material (steel, aluminum, urethane, etc) and the subframe moves and twists and things rub together (probably likely) its not going to start to wear the subframe?

04-20-2010, 02:39 PM	#1
1977and2010 Tampa Gulf Coast Family Drives: 1977 Z28, 2SSRS 2010 M6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dunedin FL Posts: 810	Rear subframe bushing help What all is involved in changing out rear subframe bushings? Any special tools needed, alignment. Does the cradle need to come completely out? Please help. __________________

04-20-2010, 09:20 PM	#3
1977and2010 Tampa Gulf Coast Family Drives: 1977 Z28, 2SSRS 2010 M6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dunedin FL Posts: 810	That's exactly what I was looking for thanks a lot. __________________

04-21-2010, 03:46 PM	#4
1977and2010 Tampa Gulf Coast Family Drives: 1977 Z28, 2SSRS 2010 M6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dunedin FL Posts: 810	DMS that is funny you should say that because I am still waiting for my solution B sway bars. They were ordered dec 10 2009 from precision motorsports in odessa fl. Whats the deal? __________________

04-21-2010, 06:50 PM	#6
1977and2010 Tampa Gulf Coast Family Drives: 1977 Z28, 2SSRS 2010 M6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dunedin FL Posts: 810	I'm seriously considering that. If I hadn't paid already I'd be all over it. If they don't came in very very soon I'm jumping ship. __________________

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04-20-2010, 07:13 PM	#2
Info@PeddersUSA.com Drives: 5th Gen Rental Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New England Posts: 1,901	I see you need some help with a little body role. LOL I have done quite a few complete subframe bushings. They are acutally pretty easy. Check this link and you can actually see the tool that I use. *http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76732* Using the tool takes about 2-3 minutes a bushing. But it can be donw without our special Pedders tool, and without removing the subframe. 1. You will have to lower the subframe about 6 inches, remove the black metal covers on each of the subframes. They are tight and will require significant prying off. 2. Drill a large hole thru the rubber 3. With a reciprical saw, core the rubber out of the bushing 4. CAREFULLY cut a 1 inch strip of the outer fiberglass jacket out and then cut another slice 180 degrees. *SPECIAL PRECAUTION. USE EXTREME CARE NOT TO CUT INTO THE SUBFRAME EYELET. IF YOU DO CUT INTO IT, MAKE SURE YOU SAND OUT THE SHARP EDGES. POLY DOES NOT LIKE SHARP EDGES* 5. At least for our Pedders complete bushings, EP1201 and EP1201HD, we want toe eyelets very clean. The OE units use a blue glue or sealer of some kind that must be removed from the eyelets so our poly bushing is tight up against the metal eyelets. 6. Install the bushings and raise the subframe back into the body, with care aligning the rear pins to the bushings. Please note the bolts are seriously tight on the rear subframe and is important to torque them correctly Does this help? thanks mike dms

04-21-2010, 07:12 PM	#7
PfadtRacing Drives: 2010 Camaro, 2006 Z06 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 3,370	Thank you Brandon, for posting up with the Pfadt info. Yes this past weekend was great for us, considering our suspension was featured on both of the class winners! The street tire class winner only had our 1.25" Drop Springs and Sport Sway Bars installed! Anyway, 1977and2010, the install ins not that bad. If you have done a couple DIY modifications this will be no problem for you. Our Rear Subframe Bushings are solid, and are the ultimate solution to reducing any type of subframe movement on your Camaro. Take a look at the video! Thanks for your time.

04-21-2010, 07:29 PM	#8
Info@PeddersUSA.com Drives: 5th Gen Rental Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New England Posts: 1,901	Pedders offers 3 levels of subframe bushing performance. No one else does. They are: 1. EP1200 inserts that are good to 500 rear hp 2. EP1201 that are good for over 500hp at the rear 3. EP1201HD. These units are animal!! You cannot make enough hp at the rear to distort of move these. They are as hard as delrin. Here is what they look like installed: *THE REAR PEDDERS EP1201HD SERIOUSLY HD SUBFRAME BUSHING* *FRONT PEDDERS EP1201HD SERIOUSLY HD SUBFRAME BUSHING* thanks mike dms They have been track proven! You will not be dissapointed

04-22-2010, 05:10 PM	#9
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,188 View My Garage	I hate to likely shoot myself in the foot, but I gotta' ask: Are there any videos of the Pedders solutions for the rear subframe? I have to admit that I'm torn between those and the Pfadt, but we have a video of one, and not the other. Obviously - I don't want to have to pay more than I have to, and if the polys hold the subframe like the solids, that's enough for me; I'd like to see about any videos though. I'm not calling anyone out because I LOVE BOTH of these companies, but I had to ask... I can't be the only one to have, at least, thought about the question. Respectfully...

04-22-2010, 09:42 PM	#14
oachalon Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mentor, Ohio Posts: 999 View My Garage	Radz i am in the exact same position as you. I am getting an edelbrock supercharger and i figure as soon as i get it installed, i am going to see some downfalls of the stock bushings and suspension. I do not plan on taking my car to a track (might still do it though), or do serious racing, but when i punch the gas i want to make sure its solid, no wheel hop, and nothing that will cause the car to want to go out of control. Im down to the pedders EP1201 and the pfadt one. I would like to fix any problems caused by the stock bushings but keep NVH as stock as possible. I love the look and machining done on the Pfadt one, but i just cant see how a solid mount will not increase noise dramatically. Also im worried about going to a hard urethane or solid bushing because at some point the bushing is going to move, and since the bushing will be made of a hard material wont that potentially wear the subframe? The factory bushings are soft so during any movement the bushing will give before the subframe. Please correct me if im wrong, but in my eyes if i put a hard material (steel, aluminum, urethane, etc) and the subframe moves and twists and things rub together (probably likely) its not going to start to wear the subframe?