01-21-2014, 06:57 AM | #449 |
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The Z/28 is always going to fail in comparisons based on price to convenience feature content against any other Camaro trim - and with the possible exception of the Viper most likely against every other U.S. domestic car as well.
You have to want this car because it is a track-oriented car that refuses to conform to current expectations for street-driven cars. As a street driver, you'd need to look at it as having a rebellious nature that suits a few stubbornly independent-minded people (and you have to be one of those people to really get it). The sad part is that its pricing seems to be squeezing some of the people with that sort of mindset out of ownership. Norm |
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Track times are not nearly the same. When you consider (depending on track length) 3 - 10 seconds at an average of 80+ MPH. The Camaros are apples and oranges. That's why they can build and sell both. 2 different customers.
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They weren't nearly the same. The ZL1 ran in ideal conditions while the Z/28 did not and it was still faster. Even GM said there is a lot of time that can be cut from the Z/28s lap.
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And now, thanks to the Z/28 we are already able to order a ZL1 with Recaros and the Z/28 rim/tire set. That's not only near slick uber set of rubber and track focused seats, but also likely circa 100lb less weight all in all. Straight from a GM dealer. I think this will make BOTH cars super capable on any road course, their component differences notwithstanding. |
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That could be easily tested by magazines, though. They can get a ZL1 and run it with stock rubber and then with some r compound tires back to back to see what the gains are. |
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The ZL1 with Recaros and lighter rims should be about 200lb heavier vs the Z/28, that's about 5%. Hence I don't believe tire wear would be much different. The same if we were to compare two lighter cars, say 3000lb vs 3150lb. Also, the track comparos are claimed on a best lap basis, "time attack" style. Yeah, it would be great if someone ran such a test and showed us all how those cars compare on an equal footing (pun intended). |
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While I agree these results would be interesting, I can't see GM providing equipment for such a comparison. Some mag would have to procure the ZL1 and tires during a time that they were reviewing a Z/28. Probably not likely that this will happen. I agree it would significantly decrease the gap on a hero lap test.
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Yet this scenario may play itself out at our local tracks and, who knows, may lead to some surprised drivers. |
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You have to remember with higher cornering ability will lead to higher straight line speeds, at the end of those straights the higher speeds and added weight will put more stress on the ZL1 brakes. You not only need the tires but the brakes too. The ZL1 may be faster for a couple laps but after that the Z/28 is going to run away from it.
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You have already made these statements and I've already answered you...weeks ago.
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We'll see soon (Friday) how well the Z/28 fares on the track.
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It's really a very comedic argument. Why? Taking what is the same basic platform and taking what differences there are and making them closer to the same to see if they can be equalled...crazy!!!
Why not do it the easy way and put an LSA in the Z/28? That's where you're heading. It ends up being nothing more than ridiculous and mind numbing.
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