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The Z28 is raw and visceral like a Porsche GT3, the ZL1 is soft and powerful. Different strokes for different folks. Quote:
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10-18-2013, 07:42 PM | #59 |
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Wow 3 seconds over the ZL1 on a small track is insane. Z28 really is the real deal. Surprised how well the 1LE does. So if someone put the Z28 tires and brakes on a 1LE would it be faster than the ZL1?
I'm kidding on the last question but they are both separated by the same time ~ 3 seconds. Chevy ain't playing games these days. |
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This is exactly what I'm saying. The biggest group of Z/28 neigh-sayers are current ZL1 owners. I'd love a ZL1 OR a Z/28... but the only folks who seem to put the ZL1 above the Z/28 are the ones who already own a ZL1... which is fine I suppose. I just remember when the GT500 came out and outran the ZL1 at the strip everyone said the ZL1 was actually more of a track car... but when the Z/28 outruns the ZL1 on the track, its back to being a strip car. I'm glad I just have a lowly SS that gets beat by everything. haha
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Anyway, in your hypothetical comparison ... I'm sure you wouldn't mind if the Z/28 involved were to get the 580 hp from the ZL1, right? Or would that be considered 'unfair'? Quote:
You left something out: Top speed on the Ring...ZL1=173mph (dry) ......Z/28=161mph (wet)... The Z/28 was holding 6000 or so rpm for a while on the back straight, my guess is because it was raining and the driver didn't want to push it any further than that (or was told not to). Since the LS7 peaks at 6300, it shouldn't have had much of an issue (in fair conditions) hitting 168 mph (160 x 6300/6000 = 168). Would it have hit 170 on a better day? Maybe, maybe not. But it could certainly have done better than 161.
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10-18-2013, 08:10 PM | #62 | |
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10-18-2013, 08:15 PM | #63 |
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The ZL1 only has a tiny bit more speed through the esses than the 1LE. The 1LE had only a 0.7 MPH slower max speed vs the ZL1. What's your point? Give the 1LE the bigger sway bars, DSSV dampers and 305 Troferos and I bet it almost beats the ZL1 but that isn't how GM built it and they won't change it. We get it, you are a sensitive ZL1 owner who has to go around pointing out how great the ZL1 is an it's not fair, but stop. It's annoying hearing that.
Don't forget the extra weight you are carrying. Those nice sticky, soft tires you want will be torn up much faster trying to control the nose heavy ZL1. Then you get heat soak and that will kill your power, which the Z/28 doesn't have to deal with nearly as much.[/QUOTE] |
10-18-2013, 08:23 PM | #64 |
I would take either of these cars. Bottom Line: they are both Camaros and they are both insane machines. Don't nay say until you have sat in one and threw it around a track.
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10-18-2013, 08:25 PM | #65 | ||
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Specific to the wet lap (or partial wet lap); don't you think after 10 hours and 1,000 miles on the track they would have at least 1 hero run on a dry track recorded? That does seem odd they would mention the quicker run; yet not record it. We can speculate all we want; but the lap time stands until they record a better time. Rules of the 'Ring, right? Quote:
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10-18-2013, 08:31 PM | #66 |
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I don’t drag race or road race, but I do find the going back and forth on the two entertaining….. The bottom line is that off the show room floor the Z/28 is so far quicker around the track….. The question I would like to ask is, does the tires on the Z/28 give it better grip then the tires on the ZL1, or if the Z/28 had the same tires as the ZL1 would it still run the same lap time or slower, I know this is hypothetical unless someone actually test that theory…… if the tires do in fact contribute to a faster lap time, how much time would be contributed to that time… and how much time could be gained by the ZL1 with the same tires on the Z/28……. If someone that has track/road race experience and knows tires from their experience could chime in with a technical answer, I would like to hear their thoughts as I’m trying to understand the tire advantage…. From what I’m reading when doing road courses, the power of the car is not all that important because you can only use so much depending on the course configuration, what seems to be more important is stopping and grip through the curves.
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10-18-2013, 08:41 PM | #68 |
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While racing down the street, strip or track with the a/c on and smiling at the HUD after investing less than $2,500 into a tune and pulley swap (less than a cost of a good stereo) I would not be afraid of loosing to the Z28.
If I were the guy with the stock Z28 whom has another 10k invested, 125 less hp than slightly modded ZL1 and the same $2,500 to spend on mods........... Buy the stereo! Z28 is going to be nice but GM should have put more separation between the 2 cars especially for the money. |
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10-18-2013, 08:52 PM | #70 |
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please don't add to my question.... I wasn't interested in longevity..... just if it the tires would make a difference....
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