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Tillman Speed · 07-27-2009, 06:03 PM

We don't make any products, and we'd love to lend a hand for testing. Give me a call if you get some details hammered down. Do you have any idea if you'd like to keep this to one vehicle, just intakes, etc?

Chris Rose
Tillman Speed Inc.

c0rsa180 · 07-27-2009, 06:14 PM

this is a great idea, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS!!!!

FTI-EDC · 07-27-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rodimus prime

Great idea. You should contact GM High Tech Performance. Id bet they jump all over this.

That is the LAST place you want something to be tested honestly...

Their testing is so SPONSOR driven, it would be impossible for an unbiased result. Wait until you see the camshaft shoot out. The tester was highly restricted to use ONLY paid advertisers during the run off...

Arrange for a Ford based dyno shop that has no interest in the result, test this. There are tons of Ford-only shops around here so I know one of them could do the test without the bias...

Hennessey Performance · 07-27-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PolishMike

Too many variables.

The same driver with the same car 5 minutes apart will have different times. Impossible to tell whether it was the intake.

There are still variables on a dyno but no where near as much as the track.

I agree and when you are talking about parts that are worth no more than 10-12 rw hp, heat soak in between runs and dyno pulls can be a greater variation.

Hanzo · 07-27-2009, 08:49 PM

I personally think the Late Model Racecraft setup is the best I've see so far. Would love to see what the gains are on the available ones. Good luck to you! Sounds like you are ready to back up your product.

pharmd · 07-27-2009, 09:02 PM

I like Ed's Idea...a Ford shop or Mopar shop "should" have nothing to gain from the deal. Real testing like this, in a controlled environment (as controlled as it can be anyway), would be a very novel approach. I applaud it if it goes down!

Tillman Speed · 07-27-2009, 09:22 PM

So you make sure that whatever shop does the work will provide datalogged proof of intake air temps, engine coolant temps, spark advance, etc. This way all conditions are documented. I would imagine let's say 6 companies decide to join in on this that you run 3 intakes per day. We make sure to do them on days that the Dynojet weather station will apply the same SAE correction, the humidity is within reason (5%) and the outside temperature is within reason (5 degrees).

You CAN provide fair results. Obviously not on a one day ordeal where they're run back to back to back, but if proper cool down time is alloted, datalogs are present, air/fuel ratio and spark advance are givien....I don't see why this cant be done?

With us being a larger Ford shop, we're familiar with the results of such tests as the Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords Cold Air Intake shootout a few years back when the 2005-2009 S197 Mustang platform was released with JLT, C&L, Steeda, MMR, etc, etc. Who knows how fair things were? If an independent shop conducts the test, writes the article, and sends it in for approval I think it will spark great interest.

Chris

SMGSS · 07-28-2009, 09:54 AM

cool idea, better be an auto test car if there will be track results.

BackinBlackSS/RS · 07-28-2009, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PolishMike

Too many variables.

The same driver with the same car 5 minutes apart will have different times. Impossible to tell whether it was the intake.

There are still variables on a dyno but no where near as much as the track.

I'll take the 1/4 info any day over the dyno. The car is not even moving on a dyno, I don't feel you get true results. Dyno numbers are for internet racing.
Take it too the track and give me the results. Whatever you have to do to minimize variables, do it.

thecamaroguy · 07-28-2009, 10:03 AM

Awesome thought!!

Even though I already purchased a CAI from LMR, I would love to see the results.

I think the results will surprise some people.

I know the "ease of installation" for the LMR product is a 10 out of 10 for ease...but that is very judgemental.

So, let the tests begin and lets see the results.

Cheshirelaugh · 07-28-2009, 10:16 AM

Awesome idea!!!! Can't wait on results!!
Definitely want to see multiple factors examined...
Price
Ease of install
Invasiveness of install (how much stuff has to get moved around to fit)
Weight
Color options(?)
And ofcourse all the performance numbers

SicSix6 · 07-28-2009, 10:25 AM

And who will be the driver for each of the tests?

GMtothecore · 07-28-2009, 10:36 AM

Great idea LMR. I'd love to see all the available CAI systems compared possibly on the same car, and we'll get to see what the differences are with all the different prices and looks out there, this will definately ease some minds.

Nine Ball · 07-28-2009, 10:50 AM

Steven, if this takes place in Houston, I will gladly shoot/write the article and submit it to GM High Tech or Chevy High Performance. The article will reflect actual results, and not be limited to any specific advertising companies. Maybe call up another local shop, G-Force perhaps, maybe Fast Lane, and have the tests done off site from LMR.

Might be good to use two example cars. One bone stock car, and one with 500+ rwhp.

Tony

07-27-2009, 06:14 PM	#16
c0rsa180 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS IOM Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 214	this is a great idea, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS!!!! __________________ Inferno Orange Metallic 2SS RS M6 ordered 2/17/09

07-27-2009, 08:49 PM	#19
Hanzo Drives: '10 Black 1SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Mountains of IL Posts: 161 View My Garage	I personally think the Late Model Racecraft setup is the best I've see so far. Would love to see what the gains are on the available ones. Good luck to you! Sounds like you are ready to back up your product. Last edited by Hanzo; 07-27-2009 at 08:51 PM. Reason: Hennessy posted right above me and don't want them to think I was talking about them.

07-27-2009, 09:02 PM	#20
pharmd Master of Medicine Drives: 4th Gen Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 784	I like Ed's Idea...a Ford shop or Mopar shop "should" have nothing to gain from the deal. Real testing like this, in a controlled environment (as controlled as it can be anyway), would be a very novel approach. I applaud it if it goes down! __________________ 2002 Camaro SS. 408 LS2. 500+RWHP/480RWTQ. Full UMI RR suspension. Koni/Strano. 295F/315R. 3500#(55/45)

07-28-2009, 10:16 AM	#25
Cheshirelaugh Drives: 2010 SIM Camaro Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 326 View My Garage	Awesome idea!!!! Can't wait on results!! Definitely want to see multiple factors examined... Price Ease of install Invasiveness of install (how much stuff has to get moved around to fit) Weight Color options(?) And ofcourse all the performance numbers __________________ 2G1FT1EW7A9109480 2SS/RS SIM w/ Sunroof Ordered 10/13 Built 5/15 Delivered 6/19 Picked-up 6/22

07-28-2009, 10:25 AM	#26
SicSix6 The Demon Photographer Drives: 2010 1SS IOM Camaro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Bristow, VA Posts: 756 View My Garage	And who will be the driver for each of the tests? __________________ 1SS IOM LS3, GM 4-pack guages, SLP SS Front Emblem, Roto-Fab CAI, Solo Performance Mach X Exhaust, Barton Industries Short Throw Shifter

07-27-2009, 06:03 PM	#15
Tillman Speed Drives: 2010 Camaros Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Aston, PA Posts: 47	We don't make any products, and we'd love to lend a hand for testing. Give me a call if you get some details hammered down. Do you have any idea if you'd like to keep this to one vehicle, just intakes, etc? Chris Rose Tillman Speed Inc.

07-27-2009, 09:22 PM	#21
Tillman Speed Drives: 2010 Camaros Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Aston, PA Posts: 47	So you make sure that whatever shop does the work will provide datalogged proof of intake air temps, engine coolant temps, spark advance, etc. This way all conditions are documented. I would imagine let's say 6 companies decide to join in on this that you run 3 intakes per day. We make sure to do them on days that the Dynojet weather station will apply the same SAE correction, the humidity is within reason (5%) and the outside temperature is within reason (5 degrees). You CAN provide fair results. Obviously not on a one day ordeal where they're run back to back to back, but if proper cool down time is alloted, datalogs are present, air/fuel ratio and spark advance are givien....I don't see why this cant be done? With us being a larger Ford shop, we're familiar with the results of such tests as the Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords Cold Air Intake shootout a few years back when the 2005-2009 S197 Mustang platform was released with JLT, C&L, Steeda, MMR, etc, etc. Who knows how fair things were? If an independent shop conducts the test, writes the article, and sends it in for approval I think it will spark great interest. Chris

07-28-2009, 09:54 AM	#22
SMGSS Drives: 00 SS, 67 SS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 251	cool idea, better be an auto test car if there will be track results.

07-28-2009, 10:03 AM	#24
thecamaroguy Drives: 2020 ZLE 67 SS350 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 537	Awesome thought!! Even though I already purchased a CAI from LMR, I would love to see the results. I think the results will surprise some people. I know the "ease of installation" for the LMR product is a 10 out of 10 for ease...but that is very judgemental. So, let the tests begin and lets see the results.

07-28-2009, 10:36 AM	#27
GMtothecore "That Guy" Drives: Camaro SS...........what else? Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: OOOOOOOklahoma where the wind comes sweepin' down the plains. Posts: 2,360	Great idea LMR. I'd love to see all the available CAI systems compared possibly on the same car, and we'll get to see what the differences are with all the different prices and looks out there, this will definately ease some minds. __________________

07-28-2009, 10:50 AM	#28
Nine Ball Drives: 1969 & 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,849	Steven, if this takes place in Houston, I will gladly shoot/write the article and submit it to GM High Tech or Chevy High Performance. The article will reflect actual results, and not be limited to any specific advertising companies. Maybe call up another local shop, G-Force perhaps, maybe Fast Lane, and have the tests done off site from LMR. Might be good to use two example cars. One bone stock car, and one with 500+ rwhp. Tony __________________ Fquick.com/NineBall

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