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Old 07-26-2021, 11:23 AM   #7743
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I think there were issues across the board, especially with the 6th gen. Since it’s release, I’ve had to explain to people that it’s not the same as my 1LE. The limited support or updates along the generation also don’t help. Especially when competitors come out with flat plane crank powered models or multiple versions cracking 700 horse power. Not to mention the fact they ignored the major complains of the previous version.


The push for EV certainly didn’t help but I would be surprised if it was the only reason for the Camaro hitting the cutting block. If anything, it seems like Chevy never thought the Camaro was worth much effort.
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Old 07-26-2021, 11:38 AM   #7744
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It's a shrinking market. We have to face it. All makes are impacted by that to some degree. GM just made a few choices in parallel that didn't help. We all know they built the superior performance coupe with the 6th gen.
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It is ashame, but part of me kind of wants GM to cancel the Camaro instead of ruining it with their EV phase. I still feel that GM dropped the ball on Camaro's handling, but perhaps their venture into EVs will prove to be a learning experience for them. IMO I feel that we are in a sad state of affairs in terms of car enthusiasm, but sometimes one has to go through changes in order to learn. It appears that GM will end up going thru some bad times because of their poor choices.
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Old 07-30-2021, 10:08 AM   #7746
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It is ashame, but part of me kind of wants GM to cancel the Camaro instead of ruining it with their EV phase. I still feel that GM dropped the ball on Camaro's handling, but perhaps their venture into EVs will prove to be a learning experience for them. IMO I feel that we are in a sad state of affairs in terms of car enthusiasm, but sometimes one has to go through changes in order to learn. It appears that GM will end up going thru some bad times because of their poor choices.
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Seems to me we are at a high point in terms of car enthusiasm. We have available to us a number of choices of Domestic 3 cars offering from 310 hp up to 800 hp. Buy it and drive it off the lot. When has that ever been true? The fact that sales of these cars is slowing rapidly has less to do with what the manufacturers are offering than it has to do with the number of and saturation of people really asking for them. If you build it they well come…maybe…for a little while. The fact that these days appear to be coming to an abrupt end seems to concern many. Especially those completely hating on what may be coming next, even though most really don’t have a clue what’s coming next.
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Seems to me we are at a high point in terms of car enthusiasm. We have available to us a number of choices of Domestic 3 cars offering from 310 hp up to 800 hp. Buy it and drive it off the lot. When has that ever been true? The fact that sales of these cars is slowing rapidly has less to do with what the manufacturers are offering than it has to do with the number of and saturation of people really asking for them. If you build it they well come…maybe…for a little while. The fact that these days appear to be coming to an abrupt end seems to concern many. Especially those completely hating on what may be coming next, even though most really don’t have a clue what’s coming next.

Thanks for the info, your posts are an interesting inside perspective! What % of the market do enthusiasts make up? What % of revenue for GM is from enthusiasts?

I'd love to know how the #s stack up if you have them
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It is ashame, but part of me kind of wants GM to cancel the Camaro instead of ruining it with their EV phase. I still feel that GM dropped the ball on Camaro's handling, but perhaps their venture into EVs will prove to be a learning experience for them. ...
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I'm going to assume you mean the way Chevrolet handled the Camaro, and not the Camaro's handling?? lol
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Old 07-30-2021, 01:34 PM   #7749
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Seems to me we are at a high point in terms of car enthusiasm. We have available to us a number of choices of Domestic 3 cars offering from 310 hp up to 800 hp. Buy it and drive it off the lot. When has that ever been true? The fact that sales of these cars is slowing rapidly has less to do with what the manufacturers are offering than it has to do with the number of and saturation of people really asking for them. If you build it they well come…maybe…for a little while. The fact that these days appear to be coming to an abrupt end seems to concern many. Especially those completely hating on what may be coming next, even though most really don’t have a clue what’s coming next.
Many of us aren't "completely hating" on EVs, we are just skeptical of the actual benefit both to the consumer and the environment when you factor in the full picture. It's not black and white as GM would have you believe.
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Saw the new caddy Escalade that thing is sweet.. Looks like they made the 2d row more leg roomier. I just dont have a hundo to drop ��
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Old 08-04-2021, 03:58 PM   #7752
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Seems to me we are at a high point in terms of car enthusiasm. We have available to us a number of choices of Domestic 3 cars offering from 310 hp up to 800 hp. Buy it and drive it off the lot. When has that ever been true? The fact that sales of these cars is slowing rapidly has less to do with what the manufacturers are offering than it has to do with the number of and saturation of people really asking for them. If you build it they well come…maybe…for a little while. The fact that these days appear to be coming to an abrupt end seems to concern many. Especially those completely hating on what may be coming next, even though most really don’t have a clue what’s coming next.
I don't want to damper or ruin your enthusiasm. If you are excited about the future prospects with Chevrolet and GM then that is good. However, when I share my opinion I cannot help but to be totally honest. My opinion as of right now is that GM and Chevrolet's line-up leaves much to be desired. Currently I cannot think of any car save the current Camaro and Corvette that offers any level of excitement or enthusiasm. I do not see the level of excitement into the design of GM's current cars even compared with the cars from a scant 11 years ago. I won't bother to compare the current Chevrolets to decades past, because IMO it would show a much drastic decline from deftness in design, enthusiastic handling of colors, etc. The company has improved with reliability, technology and build quality (in all honesty). Its just that the designs do not go far enough to entice a car enthusiast, such as myself, to drop everything and head to a Chevy dealership. In fact, with my last Chevy purchase I decided to buy an older version of a model instead of the current version, for some of the reasons I've described.

As far as the EVs are concerned, I will hold on my judgment until I can see how they are received by the buying public. I have great concern, as with the other offerings, with GM's proposal for EVs as well.
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I don't want to damper or ruin your enthusiasm. If you are excited about the future prospects with Chevrolet and GM then that is good. However, when I share my opinion I cannot help but to be totally honest. My opinion as of right now is that GM and Chevrolet's line-up leaves much to be desired. Currently I cannot think of any car save the current Camaro and Corvette that offers any level of excitement or enthusiasm. I do not see the level of excitement into the design of GM's current cars even compared with the cars from a scant 11 years ago. I won't bother to compare the current Chevrolets to decades past, because IMO it would show a much drastic decline from deftness in design, enthusiastic handling of colors, etc. The company has improved with reliability, technology and build quality (in all honesty). Its just that the designs do not go far enough to entice a car enthusiast, such as myself, to drop everything and head to a Chevy dealership. In fact, with my last Chevy purchase I decided to buy an older version of a model instead of the current version, for some of the reasons I've described.

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I won't flat out disagree with you on that.

But remember...beauty is in the eye of the beholder. My wife breaks her neck to look at the Blazer just about anytime one passes us by...especially the sporty trims such as the RS and the Redline. She wants one bad lol...but it's not quite the right time for that. I can't say I blame her. I think the upcoming refresh on the Equinox is decent, and the Traverse is a nice looking ride, and even the little TrailBlazer is fairly sporty.

I wouldn't say they are the best looking of their classes, but I wouldn't call them remotely ugly either...but that's my opinion.
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As GM and the fedgov go all in on EV Toyota is again this week yelling at the top of their lungs that we are roughly 15 years away from any kind of sustainable EV market.

And i'm reading over on Zerohedge that initial EV maintenance for the first year or so is running 1.6 to 2.3 times as much as an internal combustion engine depending on model. Anyone sign up for that because i thought they would be maintenance free for that time frame?
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I won't flat out disagree with you on that.

But remember...beauty is in the eye of the beholder. My wife breaks her neck to look at the Blazer just about anytime one passes us by...especially the sporty trims such as the RS and the Redline. She wants one bad lol...but it's not quite the right time for that. I can't say I blame her. I think the upcoming refresh on the Equinox is decent, and the Traverse is a nice looking ride, and even the little TrailBlazer is fairly sporty.

I wouldn't say they are the best looking of their classes, but I wouldn't call them remotely ugly either...but that's my opinion.
It is because of what you said that I now want to hold my tongue a bit. I don't want to discourage or ruin anyone's fun. What may not be "fun" to me might actually be an amusement park to some. I definitely encourage others to buy Chevy and GM. They are still good cars. It is just that I am an admitted stickler and I like particular cars a lot. I want others to enjoy GM and Chevy cars. I don't want them to go away or to fold up; Its this fact that sometimes I tend to be harsh with them. But, yes the Blazer is a bright spot as a CUV.
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