Pictures of new ATS-V

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

But the turbos are already small. Can't see them going down even further in size. I'm betting there is other things they could do to help reduce lag.

Not to mention, very little lag was one of the early talking points from GM concerning the LF3, so I can't see it being a big deal.

I wasn't very clear but what I was trying to say is the LF3 already has small turbos to reduce lag.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I wasn't very clear but what I was trying to say is the LF3 already has small turbos to reduce lag.

You have to remember it is a twin turbo setup. They can flow a lot of air on the top end. We are already seeing the CTS-V Sports getting over 450 RWHP and 500 RWTQ with just a tune. The LF3 is easily capable of 500 crank HP without changing the turbos.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

But otherwise, I don't see a performance reason to go with the TTV6 over the V8. I understand more mundane & practical engineering reasons to go that route, but performance wise? A big thumping V8 with an extra 30 hp & ft-lbs of torque should trump a TTV6 in the same car.
The previous generation had a V8. All others (including the current one) have turbo 6s.

Originally Posted by Firefighter

Believe me I wouldn't mind seeing an LT1 under that hood I just think they want to be more "sofistcated" than an OHV V8 comes across. That DOHC TT V6 looks to fit the bill.

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I think firefighter is on the right track here. Something about the TTV6 in this type of car just "seems" to make more sense. It "appears" to be more advanced than a OHV V-8. It makes it appear more sophisticated even if it isn't(bc we know the LT1 is a very advanced engine, and one hell of an engine too). I don't know if I am wording it right, but IMO I think it has to do with marketing and making it seem more techy and advanced which is why I believe the TT6 is the right engine for this car.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

You have to remember it is a twin turbo setup. They can flow a lot of air on the top end. We are already seeing the CTS-V Sports getting over 450 RWHP and 500 RWTQ with just a tune. The LF3 is easily capable of 500 crank HP without changing the turbos.

I don't follow the V sport very much so I wasn't aware it gained that much from a tune. It will be interesting to see what kind of power it makes in the ATS-V.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I don't follow the V sport very much so I wasn't aware it gained that much from a tune. It will be interesting to see what kind of power it makes in the ATS-V.

Edmunds got 388 RWHP out of the CTS-V stock, so it seems the 420 crank HP is actually underrated a bit. We'll need to see some more dyno pulls on stock ones to see if this was an outlier. Edmunds also got 415 RWHP out of an LT1 in a Z51 Stingray which is supposed to be 460 crank HP. So it may mean Edmunds has a happy dyno.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Edmunds got 388 RWHP out of the CTS-V stock, so it seems the 420 crank HP is actually underrated a bit. We'll need to see some more dyno pulls on stock ones to see if this was an outlier. Edmunds also got 415 RWHP out of an LT1 in a Z51 Stingray which is supposed to be 460 crank HP. So it may mean Edmunds has a happy dyno.

I've noticed that too. Almost every car that Edmunds straps to a dyno turns out to be under-rated, including ones that are SAE certified (such as all GM products). Which means either a) they're getting sent ringers by every manufacturer b) or they dyno they use is generous. I would lean towards the latter, but either way it probably isn't the best idea to use them as a reliable baseline.

[DP Valentino]

It's sitting low. It might have adjustiable supsension as standard!

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

It's important to note the intended market for the ATS-V. Think Audi and BMW, both of whom have Forced Induction 6s, now, in their top performance versions (S4-5 and M3-4). It's where that market is going (and MB AMG will follow shortly).

The CTS-V will get the LT4 and, for GM, the LT1 will power the Alpha Camaro, initially.

The L A Auto Show reveal for the ATS-V will be an event worth watching.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

It's important to note the intended market for the ATS-V. Think Audi and BMW, both of whom have Forced Induction 6s, now, in their top performance versions (S4-5 and M3-4). It's where that market is going (and MB AMG will follow shortly).

The CTS-V will get the LT4 and, for GM, the LT1 will power the Alpha Camaro, initially.

The L A Auto Show reveal for the ATS-V will be an event worth watching.

That's true but Cadillac can't expect to cut into their sales by copying what they do. Cadillac needs to set itself apart somehow because they are the established brands. Cadillac needs a way to break away from the group. It's an uphill battle for the ATS because it's the new kid on the block.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

It's important to note the intended market for the ATS-V. Think Audi and BMW, both of whom have Forced Induction 6s, now, in their top performance versions (S4-5 and M3-4). It's where that market is going (and MB AMG will follow shortly).

The CTS-V will get the LT4 and, for GM, the LT1 will power the Alpha Camaro, initially.

The L A Auto Show reveal for the ATS-V will be an event worth watching.

Keep in mind the S4 is not the top Audi. In the sedan the 3.0 SC engine at 33 HP is. But you can get an RS5 here in the states with the V8 that makes over 400 HP (torque is low 300s though). Now when a new model comes out that may change. But the S4/5 is not a competitor for the M3/4 nor the ATS-V. It doesn't make near enough power to be considered. Audi sadly does not bring the RS4 to the US.

[matt55]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Edmunds got 388 RWHP out of the CTS-V stock, so it seems the 420 crank HP is actually underrated a bit. We'll need to see some more dyno pulls on stock ones to see if this was an outlier. Edmunds also got 415 RWHP out of an LT1 in a Z51 Stingray which is supposed to be 460 crank HP. So it may mean Edmunds has a happy dyno.

Cts-V *SPORT *

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

It's important to note the intended market for the ATS-V. Think Audi and BMW, both of whom have Forced Induction 6s, now, in their top performance versions (S4-5 and M3-4). It's where that market is going (and MB AMG will follow shortly).

The CTS-V will get the LT4 and, for GM, the LT1 will power the Alpha Camaro, initially.

The L A Auto Show reveal for the ATS-V will be an event worth watching.

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

That's true but Cadillac can't expect to cut into their sales by copying what they do. Cadillac needs to set itself apart somehow because they are the established brands. Cadillac needs a way to break away from the group. It's an uphill battle for the ATS because it's the new kid on the block.

I agree with JOE. As much as I would love to see it done the good ole american way by stuffing a big V8 in it, I don't think that the market they are going for would go for that. They want to be able to say our main competitors have turbo 6ers, fine we will beat them with our turbo 6.

[jcamaro37f]

wow


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[WHAMMO]

If its not at least a LT1, its a joke. LT4 pls.