04-30-2020, 10:00 PM | #1 |
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Too Stiff
I think my car is a bit too stiff, but I was wanting to see if anyone has had a familiar experience. My set-up is the following:
Also, I'm unable to go full throttle in a straight line at higher speeds because I feel like the car is very unstable since it does not take bumps well at all. Has anyone had a similar experience?
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04-30-2020, 10:54 PM | #2 | |
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04-30-2020, 10:59 PM | #3 | |
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I was thinking of doing that as well. I believe I’m set at the middle hole on both bars at the moment. Should I fully soften both the front and rear bar? If so, which way is softer? The hole at the end of the mounting tab or the last hole towards the bar? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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05-01-2020, 01:14 AM | #4 | |
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The rear sway will pull a wheel off the ground all right, in fact from my experience anything over a 1le 28 mm bar will. I autocross this car all year on the same lots and surfaces, the big bars are to stiff . Bars have to let the car roll a bit then take a set,bending into the turn, not darting into it. big bars just seemed to slide then break away with no feel to the car. What I, and those of us with fifth gens did was switch to adjustable dse bars, set to soft ( I feel close to 25 mm solid front and 28-29mm rear) If I stiffen the front to the stiff setting and the rear to middle it feels good but tends to oversteer, but just a bit to stiff for autocross. That setting only about 1mm stiffer as to bar size then soft but doesn’t take much. Along with dse/jre coilovers set soft. Those or Ridetechs, which I use. These with 300/550 spring rates give a great ride and handling. |
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05-01-2020, 01:24 AM | #5 | |
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05-01-2020, 12:35 PM | #6 | |
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Sigh. Now I have to spend more money. Lol. The setup really doesn’t take street use too well. Do you have a good drop with those coilovers? I want to make sure I fix the feel of the car while keeping the stance as is. Do you know what the spring rates were in the Pedders? Every time I lift the car in the air, the front wheels don’t even drop, at all. The rears do a little. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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05-01-2020, 12:37 PM | #7 | |
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I upgraded my rear LCAs to go to FE4. From what I remember, I got one of the first sets of his when he released them. Thanks for the info! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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05-01-2020, 01:21 PM | #8 | |
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Pedders springs are 450 front, 560 rear. Fronts the main issue, unless you have shocks set soft. A friend has your coilovers and has like 90000 miles on them. He doesn’t mind the ride, but they are worn out and rides softer...lol I tried all settings combos on mine but were pretty good on smooth roads, but any bad roads or freeways and bounced or to stiff and jarring. Four years of that and either the car go’s or the coilovers As to bars I would go with dse or maybe the solid 23mm and 28mm rear (stock SS and 1le bars)for better ride and corners. Though they may have more roll then you like. For high speed maybe to soft.Why I went dse. Set soft they seem to be in the middle of those stock sizes and what you have. Set stiffer great for road courses I have been told. |
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05-01-2020, 01:48 PM | #9 |
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I noticed the same thing with my suspension compared to stock. At lower speeds a stiff suspension won't let the car dive/roll/squat as much so there's less momentum/weight transfer to the intended wheels to help pull you around the corners, accelerate, brake.
As for being unstable at high speeds I haven't took notice to this, although maybe the roads I drive fast on aren't that bad. What is your ride height? Alignment specs? The lower you go the more bump steer you'll induce, and there are obvious negative repercussions to a bad alignment. Wider tires will catch more imperfections in the road too. Maybe just hit the corners faster
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07-07-2020, 11:03 PM | #10 | |
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Front camber: -2.2 Front toe: 0.0 Rear camber: 0.0 Rear toe: +0.12 With that being said, my front tires are shot and I haven't aligned my car in about two years. I'm sure the alignment is severely off so I'll get that done first.
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07-08-2020, 11:14 AM | #12 | |
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As to your alignment, you were at 0 in rear camber?? I would be about half of whatever you set the fronts at. |
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07-14-2020, 11:17 PM | #13 | |
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That, or 0.5, I actually didn't get a chance to look at my official spec sheet in my glovebox. I always forget to check.
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10-14-2020, 08:25 PM | #14 |
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My rear camber was a -1.0, confirmed. My bad on the misinformation earlier.
Anyways, the more I drive my Camaro, the more I dislike how stiff these sway bars are. I love how flat the car feels in corner, but that feeling is null due to the decreased mechanical grip. There’s a corner on a track that I used to do 100mph on with just my coilovers. With these sway bars, I can only do 75mph. Any more speed and the tail will whip out. The bars are just too stiff. No reason to add power to a car that can’t handle its current power level (FBO). I’m working on a project for my M5 currently so I have some time to think about the next step. I’m planning on taking these bars off (28mm solid front and 32mm solid rear) off and replacing them. What do you all recommend from the list below? OEM SS sways OEM 1LE sways OEM ZL1 sways OEM Z28 sways All will be the sways with the upgraded mounting point on the RLCAs.
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