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camarosspower · 01-14-2017, 07:39 PM

Hey guys I'm needing help. I've done taken it to get alignment done twice and both times it moves out of spec. Under hard throttle the cars rear end feels like it's steering. Mods are Lakewood adjustable toe rods, trailing arms and cradle bushings. Everything was good until I added the cradle bushings but I'm not putting the blame on those. Could it be that now with the bushings everything is being worked harder? I can get on it at half throttle and it's ok but when I go full throttle that's when I'm having the issue. I'm at 600+ whp. Any help would be great.

Abdi · 01-14-2017, 09:45 PM

Which brand of bushings did you put in? Are the toe rods somehow coming loose?

What toe setting is the alignment shop using for you? I would double check and make sure it is toe IN and not toe out. Toe out would definitely give you that rear steer feeling.

camarosspower · 01-14-2017, 10:07 PM

Toe in was set at .05 but it changes after I go full throttle

camarosspower · 01-15-2017, 08:38 PM

This I what I got when they done the alignment

camarosspower · 01-15-2017, 08:40 PM

This is how much it changed when I went back. Before they adjusted it once again.

JOHNSONROD · 01-15-2017, 08:42 PM

do you still have FE3 rear anti sway bar? if so, you need to do the upgrade to FE4 before you will know. the FE3 suspension is absolute crap junk. you cannot make it work right. with extra HP like you have, its just going to walk worse.

camarosspower · 01-15-2017, 08:44 PM

This is what I left with but I'm pretty sure it moved again. The car is extremely slippery at full throttle

Black_SS10 · 01-15-2017, 11:47 PM

Are they adjusting the camber and toe at the same time? The rear specs of these cars have to be adjusted together otherwise they can change.

camarosspower · 01-16-2017, 05:05 AM

Well the guy didn't even mess with the camber because he said it was maxed out already.

camarosspower · 01-16-2017, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOHNSONROD

do you still have FE3 rear anti sway bar? if so, you need to do the upgrade to FE4 before you will know. the FE3 suspension is absolute crap junk. you cannot make it work right. with extra HP like you have, its just going to walk worse.

Do you think this is the reason behind why the toe changes?

Synner · 01-16-2017, 07:52 AM

Sway bars don't change toe. You have loose bolts somewhere or an out of spec bushings allowing things to move. Neither one can be diagnosed over the internet.

camarosspower · 01-16-2017, 08:10 AM

Just asking for suggestions on what would change toe. If anything else besides the toe rods

Synner · 01-16-2017, 08:21 AM

Cradle bushings and toe rod bushings and bolts are where I'd start. The cradle can shift so don't rule them out until you've physically confirmed they're ruled out. Especially since that's the last thing you changed and now you have the issue. What torque specs did you or the shop use? What brand bushings? BMR sold the wrong size bushings or they deformed to a few people that caused this as well.

camarosspower · 01-16-2017, 09:07 AM

I didn't torque them but I did tightend them up real good. They sitting flush with the cradle. I did notice that I don't have the D shaped thread bolts on the toe rods. They look like offset washers

01-14-2017, 07:39 PM	#1
camarosspower Drives: 2010 camaro ss Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Port Arthur, Tx Posts: 2,383	Toe specs keep changing Hey guys I'm needing help. I've done taken it to get alignment done twice and both times it moves out of spec. Under hard throttle the cars rear end feels like it's steering. Mods are Lakewood adjustable toe rods, trailing arms and cradle bushings. Everything was good until I added the cradle bushings but I'm not putting the blame on those. Could it be that now with the bushings everything is being worked harder? I can get on it at half throttle and it's ok but when I go full throttle that's when I'm having the issue. I'm at 600+ whp. Any help would be great.

01-15-2017, 08:38 PM	#4
camarosspower Drives: 2010 camaro ss Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Port Arthur, Tx Posts: 2,383	This I what I got when they done the alignment Attached Images

01-15-2017, 08:40 PM	#5
camarosspower Drives: 2010 camaro ss Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Port Arthur, Tx Posts: 2,383	This is how much it changed when I went back. Before they adjusted it once again. Attached Images

01-15-2017, 08:44 PM	#7
camarosspower Drives: 2010 camaro ss Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Port Arthur, Tx Posts: 2,383	This is what I left with but I'm pretty sure it moved again. The car is extremely slippery at full throttle Attached Images

01-15-2017, 11:47 PM	#8
Black_SS10 SomeguyK Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: FL Posts: 1,947	Are they adjusting the camber and toe at the same time? The rear specs of these cars have to be adjusted together otherwise they can change. __________________ TMS 427, Dart iron Block, Forged assembly, Frankenstien heads, AGP TT 62/62 BB turbo's, AGP/Fore triple fuel system, Tilton clutch, Holley 1 7/8 shorties, Technostalgia tail lights,Oracle, Aeroforce, MGW shifter,Flowmaster, Pegasus subframe bushings,BMR trailing & toe arms,Z28 UCA bushings,Zl1 rear sway bar,Prothane,BMR,Goodridge brake lines,Ridetech HQ coilovers,3.91,Trutrac,billet caps,DSS axles,HE offest,built TR6060,1LE diffuser,Havoc spoiler,SSclones,20in MRR 017, Pirelli P Zero, Nitto NT555RII More to come. Last edited by Black_SS10; 01-16-2017 at 12:23 AM.

01-14-2017, 09:45 PM	#2
Abdi Account Suspended Drives: 2013 1LE Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Mass Posts: 162	Which brand of bushings did you put in? Are the toe rods somehow coming loose? What toe setting is the alignment shop using for you? I would double check and make sure it is toe IN and not toe out. Toe out would definitely give you that rear steer feeling.

01-14-2017, 10:07 PM	#3
camarosspower Drives: 2010 camaro ss Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Port Arthur, Tx Posts: 2,383	Toe in was set at .05 but it changes after I go full throttle

01-15-2017, 08:42 PM	#6
JOHNSONROD Drives: 62 Chevy & 2021 1SS/1LE manual Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 893	do you still have FE3 rear anti sway bar? if so, you need to do the upgrade to FE4 before you will know. the FE3 suspension is absolute crap junk. you cannot make it work right. with extra HP like you have, its just going to walk worse.

01-16-2017, 05:05 AM	#9
camarosspower Drives: 2010 camaro ss Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Port Arthur, Tx Posts: 2,383	Well the guy didn't even mess with the camber because he said it was maxed out already.

01-16-2017, 07:52 AM	#11
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,544	Sway bars don't change toe. You have loose bolts somewhere or an out of spec bushings allowing things to move. Neither one can be diagnosed over the internet.

01-16-2017, 08:10 AM	#12
camarosspower Drives: 2010 camaro ss Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Port Arthur, Tx Posts: 2,383	Just asking for suggestions on what would change toe. If anything else besides the toe rods

01-16-2017, 08:21 AM	#13
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,544	Cradle bushings and toe rod bushings and bolts are where I'd start. The cradle can shift so don't rule them out until you've physically confirmed they're ruled out. Especially since that's the last thing you changed and now you have the issue. What torque specs did you or the shop use? What brand bushings? BMR sold the wrong size bushings or they deformed to a few people that caused this as well.

01-16-2017, 09:07 AM	#14
camarosspower Drives: 2010 camaro ss Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Port Arthur, Tx Posts: 2,383	I didn't torque them but I did tightend them up real good. They sitting flush with the cradle. I did notice that I don't have the D shaped thread bolts on the toe rods. They look like offset washers Attached Images