05-18-2013, 11:43 PM | #169 |
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Happy to see this post, you see the argument being made and have answered it with your opinion. Thank you. I would like to see this exact head to head. I actually feel the z28 could do it, just feel the zl1 deserved a fair shot in this comparo and the 3 second wallop would be narrowed by the same shoes.
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The ZL1 is a benchmark, something to compare the Z/28 to. Changing the tires on the ZL1 defeats the purpose. |
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05-18-2013, 11:50 PM | #171 | |
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05-18-2013, 11:54 PM | #172 | |
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05-18-2013, 11:57 PM | #173 |
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Trolling? K. Weird. Zl1 is the car, not the tires. Z28 is a.car that needed sticky tires to perform as designed. The zl1 needs these as well but they gave it a tire that was a compromise between race and longevity. Both cars will be rubber scrubbing monsters. Both cars will always need sticky tires to show the CAR'S max potential. I only pointed out that two car that obviously need traction were compared, only one received more sticky stuff where it was needed. So, gm, trofeo up the zl1, let's see an official.time. anyone can put these tires on and race it, only GM's time is valid for evaluation.
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05-18-2013, 11:59 PM | #174 | |
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05-19-2013, 12:03 AM | #175 | |
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There's a LOT more going on than just tires. They're creating a sophisticated chassis/suspension setup that Stielow is personally tweaking which means MANY things, not just slapping sticky tires on an otherwise stock chassis/suspension. The fact that GM allowed him to create custom 4-way adjustable dampers just for this car; create custom rear glass, custom rear seat, custom wiring harness, etc. is a huge indicator of how much confidence they have in him (fully justified too) and what their goals are here. This car isn't just a standard SS with a track pack; it's a new car, period. Stielow has the freedom and approval to create custom pieces as he deems necessary; that's an incredible move by GM. They haven't released Ring numbers yet because Stielow isn't done, not because they're "afraid" to. The word "afraid" isn't in Stielow's vocabulary. On the street the ZL1 is going to be the better car; smoother ride, more comfortable, quieter, better for cruising around town or taking trips. On the track (road course) the Z/28 is going to rule and if that bothers ZL1 owner's... oh well. They're two entirely different cars designed for two entirely different purposes. Tires is actually the least of it; of course they're putting track tires on a track car. Putting Trofeos on a ZL1 would just chew them up in short order while they tried to deal with the extra 300 lbs of weight going around corners. Sure they'd hold better than the Goodyears but at a price; the ZL1's chassis/suspension isn't set up for road course. It can run there and do pretty well, but it's not going to be a Z/28.
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05-19-2013, 12:17 AM | #176 | |
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05-19-2013, 12:34 AM | #177 | |
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Cars are tuned with the tires that they are intended to use (factory stock tires). The ZL1 Camaro suspension is tuned for the tires that it comes with, so just putting on it the Z/28 tires will not allow it to maximize the performance advantage. Same thing applies to the Z/28 Camaro, if you put lesser tires on it then you seriously risk throwing off the balance of the car. So while yes having the Z/28 tires is going to give someone an advantage, however I think we all can look at both vehicles and understand that not all of the advantages come from the tires. The ZL1 Camaro is 4,100 pounds while the Z/28 is going to be around 3,780 pounds (my guess based on GMs press release). Certainly having a 320 pound weight advantage is going to be good for some performance, also according to GMs press release the Z/28 does have a better power to weight ratio then the ZL1 Camaro (at 3,780 pounds that means 540+BHP). Also the aerodynamic edge and the carbon ceramic disc brakes will be another area where the Z/28 has an advantage over the ZL1 Camaro. So to just assume that if you swapped tires that the ZL1 will be even or faster would require one to ignore everything else about the two cars. |
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05-19-2013, 12:38 AM | #178 | |
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The ZL1 is a great street car that can be driven on the track and do well; there's nothing wrong with that or the fact that it will be beaten ON THE TRACK by a designed-for-the-track car.
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05-19-2013, 02:15 PM | #182 |
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Tuned for GY F2 tires? Really? Maybe they should have used the record setting Michelin's from the ZR1 runs at the NUrburgring.
Corvette credits much of the car’s added performance to its new Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure tires, which provided an 8 percent gain in lateral acceleration, as well as improved braking. The new tires are available on the flagship 638-hp ZR1 as well as on the 505-hp Z06.
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