AGP Twin Turbo Owners

[Unreal]

Shorties don't really change the sound. Only reason to run shorties is to not have to modify manifolds for 6 bolt heads.

[Unavowed]

Originally Posted by Unreal

AGP has done that plenty of times. Base kit, meth, zl1+BAP, 800-810rwhp on bone stock never touched motors.

Manual cars maybe. I have a built motor, heads, cam, V pump, Vaporworx controller, JMS booster, ID850'S and meth and am at the limits of my fuel system at 762 rwhp trough a 6L80.

Originally Posted by Unreal

Of course you need a lot of expensive parts to make 1200+, but nothing exotic or changed on the turbo kit. Just need a motor and fuel system strong enough to handle it. That goes for any power adder.

The optional, larger, more exotic turbos certainly increase the cost of the kit. Some by as much as 50%.

[Unreal]

Originally Posted by Unavowed

Manual cars maybe. I have a built motor, heads, cam, V pump, Vaporworx controller, JMS booster, ID850'S and meth and am at the limits of my fuel system at 762 rwhp trough a 6L80.




The optional, larger, more exotic turbos certainly increase the cost of the kit. Some by as much as 50%.

Dont need expensive turbos to make those numbers, but people going for 1000+ aren't typically budget people and when doing a 30k+ build another $2k on turbos is a drop in the bucket.

[Unavowed]

Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

You really don't need that robust of a fuel system to get to 800, ZL1 pump ADM FPCM or dual pumps and a BAP.

I'm pretty sure a V pump, Vaporworx controller and a JMS booster has more headroom in it than a ZL1 pump with the ADM FPCM. I'm about maxed out at 762 through an auto. A manual would probably get past 800, but a $2k return style system would certainly be needed to approach 1k rwhp.

[Unavowed]

Originally Posted by Unreal

Dont need expensive turbos to make those numbers, but people going for 1000+ aren't typically budget people and when doing a 30k+ build another $2k on turbos is a drop in the bucket.

But a $30k build isn't a "basic" build. That is all I'm saying.

[Unreal]

Getting caught up on semantics.

There is nothing exotic. No solid rollers, no big heads, no crazy cams, no dual power adders. Thats what I meant by basic. Needing to have internals and fuel strong enough to make 1k to me is basic.

[modi66662]

Turbos:58/62
Motor (CI): ls3 6.2 forged ( stock crank )
Cam: BTR stage 2 twin turbo cam
Trans: manual transmission
Fuel System: LPE dual pump
Meth: AEM dual nozzles
E85: no VP C16
Horsepower/Torque Numbers at Boost level: 1007 rwhp 890 rwtq @19 psi

[1KillerSS]

Originally Posted by Unavowed

I'm pretty sure a V pump, Vaporworx controller and a JMS booster has more headroom in it than a ZL1 pump with the ADM FPCM. I'm about maxed out at 762 through an auto. A manual would probably get past 800, but a $2k return style system would certainly be needed to approach 1k rwhp.

No question about it. Return Style system is far superior, But you can get 800 whp without going to return style system.


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[white1LE]

Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

@white1LE do you have a sound clip? I'd love to hear the ARH shorties. You really don't need that robust of a fuel system to get to 800, ZL1 pump ADM FPCM or dual pumps and a BAP.

I don't have a sound clip but I'll try tomorrow. It's actually pretty quiet and WOT is much the same.

[1KillerSS]

Originally Posted by white1LE

I don't have a sound clip but I'll try tomorrow. It's actually pretty quiet and WOT is much the same.

Its ok, I've heard them before, through turbos, I was just wondering if it sounded similar to the one I heard last time. I seriously doubt I'll be dropping 1100 on a set of shorties anytime soon. I would rather buy heads, or fuel.

[CarlC]

Originally Posted by Unavowed

I'm pretty sure a V pump, Vaporworx controller and a JMS booster has more headroom in it than a ZL1 pump with the ADM FPCM. I'm about maxed out at 762 through an auto. A manual would probably get past 800, but a $2k return style system would certainly be needed to approach 1k rwhp.

An FPCM will not increase fuel pump performance. In it's very simplest form, the FPCM or VaporWorx PWM controller is an electronic pressure regulation system.

Roughly, the ZL1 is good for 650FWHP, CTS-V 800FWHP @ 0.6BSFC.

Another rough rule of thumb for CTS-V is for every 1v change = 15% fuel pump performance change.

VaporWorx just started handling the JMS voltage boosters as well. They work quite well with the VaporWorx PWM systems.

[Unavowed]

Originally Posted by CarlC

An FPCM will not increase fuel pump performance. In it's very simplest form, the FPCM or VaporWorx PWM controller is an electronic pressure regulation system.

Roughly, the ZL1 is good for 650FWHP, CTS-V 800FWHP @ 0.6BSFC.

Another rough rule of thumb for CTS-V is for every 1v change = 15% fuel pump performance change.

VaporWorx just started handling the JMS voltage boosters as well. They work quite well with the VaporWorx PWM systems.

I know. As is said, I run a V pump, your controller, and a JMS booster. At 762/770 rwhp/rwt, I estimate @ 925 FWHP. This is through a 6L80. I attribute the additional 75 FWHP to the meth system. Very happy with my setup. I'm not sure why more Camaro guys don't use the V pump over the ZL1 pump. Us G8 guys love them.

[Green Machine]

Turbos: 56/61
Motor (CI): LS3 (stock w/ headstuds)
Cam: Custom BTR grind
Trans: Stock TR6060-MM6
Fuel System: Stock pump w/ 850cc injectors
Meth: Not Yet
E85: Nope, Only 93
Installed/ Tuned by: Installed by me, Tuned by Brian Turner @ DTM in Columbus
Horsepower/Torque Numbers at Boost level: 665hp/622tq @ 10 lbs
1/4 mile time/speed: n/a
1/2 mile speed: n/a
Standing mile speed: n/a

[Sakudog]

Originally Posted by Unreal

Dont need expensive turbos to make those numbers, but people going for 1000+ aren't typically budget people and when doing a 30k+ build another $2k on turbos is a drop in the bucket.

Yes sir that is a Fact.