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vega$ · 03-23-2009, 02:35 AM

I know this has been talked about around here before, but there were never clear answers. ( I've been coming here for questions for about a year just never registered til' now.)

If you had some LT headers on the SS, will you will be able to pass the OBD emissions testing? I live in las vegas and as far as my experience there isnt a visual inspection.
thanks for any feedback.

Gentry78 · 03-23-2009, 05:23 AM

as long as you get some high flow cats and keep all the o2 sensors hooked up you shouldn't have any codes, with lt headers you should also get a tune to go with them to really take advantage of them, so yes you will pass

spd98 · 03-23-2009, 05:55 AM

You will have codes with long tubes. you will have to have them removed via tune. It may take a week or so to set a code but because of the temperature and flow difference through the cats the O2 numbers will not look the same as stock. The bottom line is that you will need a tune to get the most hp out of your lt's anyway so it's not a big deal.

BTW I actually speak from experience here I personally know of 4 GTO's that had this and 2 g8 gt's.

Gentry78 · 03-23-2009, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spd98

You will have codes with long tubes. you will have to have them removed via tune. It may take a week or so to set a code but because of the temperature and flow difference through the cats the O2 numbers will not look the same as stock. The bottom line is that you will need a tune to get the most hp out of your lt's anyway so it's not a big deal.

BTW I actually speak from experience here I personally know of 4 GTO's that had this and 2 g8 gt's.

i've never done or seen lt's without a tune so i didn't know if they would set codes under a stock tune or not, so thanks for letting us know

Crowley · 03-23-2009, 09:28 AM

If there isn't a visual part .. you should be ok as long as you tune (or use eliminators) for any O2 issues ..

IMO (having had both long tubes and shorties) .. it isn't worth the hassel to go to long tubes unless you are going to be making gobs of power .... Shorties can support a lot of power as well and matted to some high flow cats, you don't need the extra parts to turn off the O2s or eliminators to fake those readings .. you stay emissions compliant.

Crowley

ZZcamaro · 03-23-2009, 09:42 AM

Just get a good tune, and go to a nice friendly shop for your tuning and inspection...You will be good to go.

Check out the group buy thread...I will be posting a good deal on Long Tubes in the next day or so!

Melson · 03-23-2009, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowley

If there isn't a visual part .. you should be ok as long as you tune (or use eliminators) for any O2 issues ..

IMO (having had both long tubes and shorties) .. it isn't worth the hassel to go to long tubes unless you are going to be making gobs of power .... Shorties can support a lot of power as well and matted to some high flow cats, you don't need the extra parts to turn off the O2s or eliminators to fake those readings .. you stay emissions compliant.

Crowley

Crowley,

Are yo going to have Classic put the shorties on??

spd98 · 03-23-2009, 01:02 PM

Another little FYI you cannot get any o2 sims now that work. Your only choice is a tune. And LT's will always make more power than shorty's.

SS 376 · 03-23-2009, 01:14 PM

In states that do visual inspection (like California), you will flunk visual but you can pass smog, provided you have cats.

*radz28* · 03-23-2009, 02:52 PM

You'll probably throw codes without a tune because of the 02s, like has already been stated. I had the problem with mid-lengths and LTs. It's possible to pass the sniffer so long as you have a good tune and the rest of the PCM's parameters have been met. I don't remember all of the PCM checks, but believe at least three have to have been checked and passed in order for the smog machine to "pass" the car after the sniffer test. I had problems with this in the past because of not driving the car enough after reflashing the PCM.

It may be best for you to consult a smog shop because they should know all the smog laws of your state. If you lived in a rubbish state like me, I'd tell you to not do anything to your car - actually, I'd tell you to walk...

ZZcamaro · 03-23-2009, 02:55 PM

You can always pass a visual if you go to the "right" place...wink wink

And a quality tune will pass the smog test no problem

vega$ · 03-23-2009, 05:25 PM

Thanks for the feedback. Yeah no visual inspection at the smog check I go to.
Thats also what I figured, that I will get headers and a tune at the same time.
btw best mods to do in order?
headers and tune?
or
CAI and High Flow cat exhaust?
I was thinking of doin CAI and exhaust first..not right away but a few months after purchase.

03-23-2009, 02:35 AM	#1
vega$ Dreaming Big! Drives: 06 Silverado CC 4x4 5.3L Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 143	LT Headers question I know this has been talked about around here before, but there were never clear answers. ( I've been coming here for questions for about a year just never registered til' now.) If you had some LT headers on the SS, will you will be able to pass the OBD emissions testing? I live in las vegas and as far as my experience there isnt a visual inspection. thanks for any feedback.

03-23-2009, 09:28 AM	#5
Crowley Okie doke Drives: 2012 GT500 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: McKinney Texas Posts: 3,568 View My Garage	If there isn't a visual part .. you should be ok as long as you tune (or use eliminators) for any O2 issues .. IMO (having had both long tubes and shorties) .. it isn't worth the hassel to go to long tubes unless you are going to be making gobs of power .... Shorties can support a lot of power as well and matted to some high flow cats, you don't need the extra parts to turn off the O2s or eliminators to fake those readings .. you stay emissions compliant. Crowley __________________

03-23-2009, 01:02 PM	#8
spd98 Drives: had a goat Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: atlanta, ga Posts: 351	Another little FYI you cannot get any o2 sims now that work. Your only choice is a tune. And LT's will always make more power than shorty's. Last edited by spd98; 03-23-2009 at 01:14 PM.

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03-23-2009, 05:23 AM	#2
Gentry78 HOOK'EM Drives: 97 c1500/92 olds Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 5,279	as long as you get some high flow cats and keep all the o2 sensors hooked up you shouldn't have any codes, with lt headers you should also get a tune to go with them to really take advantage of them, so yes you will pass

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spd98 Drives: had a goat Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: atlanta, ga Posts: 351	You will have codes with long tubes. you will have to have them removed via tune. It may take a week or so to set a code but because of the temperature and flow difference through the cats the O2 numbers will not look the same as stock. The bottom line is that you will need a tune to get the most hp out of your lt's anyway so it's not a big deal. BTW I actually speak from experience here I personally know of 4 GTO's that had this and 2 g8 gt's.

03-23-2009, 09:42 AM	#6
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SS 376 Drives: 2010 IBM 1SS (Former) Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NoVA Posts: 2,032	In states that do visual inspection (like California), you will flunk visual but you can pass smog, provided you have cats.

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ZZcamaro Drives: 2SS w/ ZZ427 Package!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,700	You can always pass a visual if you go to the "right" place...wink wink And a quality tune will pass the smog test no problem

03-23-2009, 05:25 PM	#12
vega$ Dreaming Big! Drives: 06 Silverado CC 4x4 5.3L Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 143	Thanks for the feedback. Yeah no visual inspection at the smog check I go to. Thats also what I figured, that I will get headers and a tune at the same time. btw best mods to do in order? headers and tune? or CAI and High Flow cat exhaust? I was thinking of doin CAI and exhaust first..not right away but a few months after purchase.