Twin Turbo ZL1 conversion?

[Rhaar001]

First of all, does anyone have any experience in this realm?

Secondly, I am playing around with ideas and wondering what all it would entail. I see they have an AGP TT setup for just over 10k and capable of producing 1300 rwhp.

http://www.agpturbo.com/camaro-5-ss-...urbo-kit-v2-0/

Obviously you have to factor in labor but what all else other than the bolt on turbo kit and a cam would I need to achieve goals of ~1000 rwhp?

[Crash76]

Transmission, suspension, rear end, bottom end, top end

[CamaroDreams76]

That kit isn't exactly 1300hp ready. Agp doesn't have enough fuel pump in these kits to achieve that. The turbos are 1300hp capable but 1000cc injectors and a ZL1 fuel pump w/bap isn't enough.

I've been eyeing this kit since I've had my car and have done quite a bit of research. I'm not too familiar with the ZL1 platform but I know the ZL1 rear end is pretty stout and the LSA is stronger than the LS3. For me in my case, to achieve over 1000whp is my SS and be reliable I need about 28k in parts alone from where I stand now.

[Rhaar001]

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams76

That kit isn't exactly 1300hp ready. Agp doesn't have enough fuel pump in these kits to achieve that. The turbos are 1300hp capable but 1000cc injectors and a ZL1 fuel pump w/bap isn't enough.

I've been eyeing this kit since I've had my car and have done quite a bit of research. I'm not too familiar with the ZL1 platform but I know the ZL1 rear end is pretty stout and the LSA is stronger than the LS3. For me in my case, to achieve over 1000whp is my SS and be reliable I need about 28k in parts alone from where I stand now.

I'm not too familiar with the turbo game as to why I am asking these questions.

I plan on possibly going with a fore fuel system and a triple carbon disc clutch and 1000 cc injectors, cam, forged pistons, ported heads, etc, but I was wondering what differences between super charger upgrades and turbo (other than you can get more boost from turbos and way less heat soak).

[DOC52]

There's a twin turbo zl1 out here but it's always out of commission lol

[AGP Turbo]

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams76

That kit isn't exactly 1300hp ready. Agp doesn't have enough fuel pump in these kits to achieve that. The turbos are 1300hp capable but 1000cc injectors and a ZL1 fuel pump w/bap isn't enough.

I've been eyeing this kit since I've had my car and have done quite a bit of research. I'm not too familiar with the ZL1 platform but I know the ZL1 rear end is pretty stout and the LSA is stronger than the LS3. For me in my case, to achieve over 1000whp is my SS and be reliable I need about 28k in parts alone from where I stand now.

We got it all covered.
http://www.agpturbo.com/camaro-5-ss-dual-fuel-pump/

[Machinehead]

Originally Posted by Rhaar001

I'm not too familiar with the turbo game as to why I am asking these questions.

I plan on possibly going with a fore fuel system and a triple carbon disc clutch and 1000 cc injectors, cam, forged pistons, ported heads, etc, but I was wondering what differences between super charger upgrades and turbo (other than you can get more boost from turbos and way less heat soak).

Theres not a lot of differences. In order to hit 1300 hp with either you really need the same things: Lots of fuel, forged internals in a sleeved block, a tranny clutch drive shaft and rear that can handle that much power.

[Rhaar001]

Originally Posted by AGP Turbo

We got it all covered.
http://www.agpturbo.com/camaro-5-ss-dual-fuel-pump/

Thank you! I have been communicating with you guys via email as well (rhaar001@fiu.edu)

[Rhaar001]

Originally Posted by Machinehead

Theres not a lot of differences. In order to hit 1300 hp with either you really need the same things: Lots of fuel, forged internals in a sleeved block, a tranny clutch drive shaft and rear that can handle that much power.

I was looking at the 1300 hp ready turbos just so I can have room let on the table later on if I wanted to. As of right now, I believe I'll be more than content with 1000rwhp. The shop I am speaking with down in miami and I are both on board with forged internals and upgrading my clutch to a triple carbon and of course a twin fuel pump.

[CamaroDreams76]

Originally Posted by AGP Turbo

We got it all covered.
http://www.agpturbo.com/camaro-5-ss-dual-fuel-pump/

Wow never seen that before. Thanks for showing me this

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

There's a member named "Sakudog" I believe on here that is running TT on his ZL1.

[Sakudog]

Originally Posted by DOC52

There's a twin turbo zl1 out here but it's always out of commission lol

Uhhhh, there are 2 that I know of and one of them is mine. It's been rock solid reliable....

[Sakudog]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

There's a member named "Sakudog" I believe on here that is running TT on his ZL1.

That is me! I love my car it makes me very, very happy.

https://youtu.be/bD3a4NTlFys

[Sakudog]

Originally Posted by Rhaar001

First of all, does anyone have any experience in this realm?

Secondly, I am playing around with ideas and wondering what all it would entail. I see they have an AGP TT setup for just over 10k and capable of producing 1300 rwhp.

http://www.agpturbo.com/camaro-5-ss-...urbo-kit-v2-0/

Obviously you have to factor in labor but what all else other than the bolt on turbo kit and a cam would I need to achieve goals of ~1000 rwhp?

My car makes 1000+ rear wheel horsepower and it is reliable but expect to spend more like 15-20k and more like 25-30k for 1300 rwhp.

The ingredients I have look something like this for a 6-speed car.

AGP Turbo Kit with GT30Rs / Street FMIC / Skip the Cold Air
Fuel System Fore Innovations triple pump + flex fuel and 127lb injectors
Clutch SPEC Super Twin Disc Kit ST-Trim
Motor LME LSA Darton Sleaved all forged motor
L99 Camaro SS Exhaust manifolds / JetHott Extreme 2500 Coating
LS3 Intake (stock)
ARP LS Exhaust Studs
Alkycontrol Methanol Injection for Camaro (dual)
L99 Camaro OEM Exhaust Gaskets
GFB Boost Controller
AEM Wideband & Boost Gauge
Turbo capable Catch Can
Caspers LSA/7 TB extension harness
Caspers IAT harness
A lot of misc. hoses to re-route a lot of hoses
SFI LSA Balancer
DEI heat wraps of all sorts to cover / protect wiring harnesses and such

My LSA to TT conversion was done by me in my garage, on jack stands. The conversion is a lot of work and not for a beginner. Additionally, if you are not familiar with turbo systems and how they work you will be highly challenged but be patient and call AGP, they are GREAT and VERY supportive.

Before the AGP TT conversion, my ZL1 was making 830 rwhp on 20 psi.

After the AGP TT conversion, on the stock motor, it made 930 rwhp on 16 psi.

What I found was the dyno number just don't tell the whole story. The LSA blower would really fall off after 3 or 4 gears on the street or at the track. Running up against 700 rwhp Turbo cars I'd get a strong jump in the 1st gear and then the ZL1 would quickly fall behind in the next two or more gears. You could feel the car losing power as the pull went further and when you look at the engineering of the 1.9 PD blower and what you do to it when you over spin it tells you the story. The blower just cooks the air and puts tremendous stress on the motor. With the Turbo setup the car makes more and more power as you make it through the gears, you can feel and see the car makes MORE rwhp on the road than it does on the dyno. The opposite seems to be true with the PD blower in my material experiences.

The LME motor is in and we've dialed up the boost and make well over 1,000 rwhp with putting very little stress on the motor. New turbos will be going in this month and we expect to make EVEN more rwhp.



Here is the video that got me very excited about making the investment to Twin Turbo my car: