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Old 01-11-2018, 11:11 PM   #1
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GM Announces Cruise AV - Fully Autonomous Production-Ready Vehicle

Meet the Cruise AV: the First Production-Ready Car With No Steering Wheel or Pedals
GM files petition asking DOT permission to safely deploy self-driving vehicle in 2019
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January 12, 2018


General Motors filed a Safety Petition with the Department of Transportation for its fourth-generation self-driving Cruise AV, the first production-ready vehicle built from the start to operate safely on its own, with no driver, steering wheel, pedals or manual controls.

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Old 01-12-2018, 06:46 AM   #2
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I'm all for autonomous features, especially safety related, but give me the option to drive.
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Old 01-12-2018, 08:21 AM   #3
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This thing's envisioned more as a driver-less Lyft than a car you or I would go out and buy.

Considering some Lyft drivers I've had, this is a preferable option...
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Who assumes liability if it crashes and injures someone?
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Old 01-12-2018, 08:45 AM   #5
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That has yet to be determined.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:17 AM   #6
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I don't think I would be used to that for a very long time. You crash, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. I wonder what sort of safeties are put in to place on this vehicle.
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I believe the so-called "Safety Petition" is what lets them and the government off the hook for any liability. They are so in love with this stuff that the rest of the motoring public is their guinea pigs if any deaths or injuries result. There is just no way to foresee any and all conditions that may occur resulting in deaths or accidents caused by these things, so they want a free pass as they go through a never-ending learning curve.

Look for an additional "driverless vehicle" charge to be added to your insurance policy.
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The safety petition is actually to override safety features required in driver operated cars. Like instead of a steering wheel airbag they're requesting a left front passenger airbag instead. I think a lot of it is just semantics but the lack of an actual driver requires changes to the verbiage.
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So, the Bolt that can drive itself is called the Cruise. Ookaaay ... so then if they make a Cruze that can drive itself, will it be called a Bolt?


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Who assumes liability if it crashes and injures someone?
I would assume General Motors, if the car was found to be at fault for the accident. They're the ones that programmed the algorithms to drive the car, making them the defacto driver.

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I don't think I would be used to that for a very long time. You crash, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. I wonder what sort of safeties are put in to place on this vehicle.
How is that any different from being a passenger when another person is driving? You aren't in control of the vehicle either way.
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We will see these deployed in certain cities across the nation in the near future. I'm faily certain Vegas already has driverless cars circulating the city.

But we have a long ways to go before these cars start driving anywhere and everywhere that we are used to today. The infrastructure can't support the technology everywhere (crappy maintained roads) and there is another big factor to consider....weather. How is one of these cars going to drive around in a snowstorm with drifts on the sides of the roads using cameras and standard GPS? Not gonna happen.

Anyways...you wouldn't catch me riding around too far in one of these guys. But I'm sure it will happen eventually.
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Old 01-12-2018, 01:11 PM   #12
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:17 PM   #13
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Lol, whole thing is a cluster waiting to happen. 2 scenarios (more exist for sure)...

Say a wreck is in the middle of the road and an officer directs you to drive on the median on in the grass? Does the car just sit for 6+ hours until cleaned up?

What about someone who has road rage and cuts you off? Will the car simply stop for them and wait?

I don't think there is enough data to circumvent all of the possibilities to warrant removal of a steering wheel.
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