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Old 07-16-2018, 09:38 AM   #15
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Selling already? Didn't you just buy it at the end of last year? Not bashing, just curious if you got tired of it or something.
Yeah I did. Trying to Dave Ramsey my life and get into something more affordable. Like a 4th Gen
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:47 AM   #16
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Some cars fall harder than others. Go look at what happens to Maseratis. Brutal.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:56 AM   #17
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I think the 6th gens are atleast partially responsible for this. Iíve been cross shopping vette, gen 5, gen 6. Vette proly out cuz back seat. Hard to justify 25-30k for 1le or 30k plus for zl1. When used 6th gens are popping up in low to mid 30s with a better chassis and similar performance. ZL1 still one of the quickest ways to 6-700hp though.

Personally Iím of the opinion they will keep going down. 6ths will drive 5ths down. I think I could see zl1 having a plateau 20-25k like 03-04 cobras had back in the day for rarity and crazy hp potential.
Any time a new generation comes out, depreciation will hit the previous gen harder. It's pretty stabilized now, I think they will float around $30k with good miles for the foreseeable future.

$30k for a 5th ZL1 vs 6th SS is a no brainer. It's hard to like the 6th Gen
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Old 07-16-2018, 10:26 AM   #18
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Mileage and mods is what killed you. No questions asked. Everybody wants to spread the "They're meant to be driven, drive them everywhere" mentality. That's fine. Just be prepared, your 30,000+ mileage car is not going to sell like one with 5000 or less.

I don't think you gave it away at $30,000.
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Old 07-16-2018, 11:31 AM   #19
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Any time a new generation comes out, depreciation will hit the previous gen harder. It's pretty stabilized now, I think they will float around $30k with good miles for the foreseeable future.

$30k for a 5th ZL1 vs 6th SS is a no brainer. It's hard to like the 6th Gen
See I would disagree and if enough market tips to 6th it will drive zl1 down further. If its straight SS I could see the argument, but still better chassis, better interior, tech, less weight, DI advantages.

If 1LE gets to same price(and its close now) Id take it hands down over most 5th gen zl1's. Get the brakes, mag ride, zl1 elsd, npp, recaros. Lapped Laguna faster than the Z28. Most ZL1 guys Ive seen are still trying to get mid 30k's which is direct competition with these.


https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=533991

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=518450

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...&highlight=1le

And dont take this the wrong way, I just like chatting about it. I was drooling over a ZL1 and a 6th Saturday night at a local cruise in.
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:00 PM   #20
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Hellcats are still $45-50k cars. They were around the same MSRP as ZL1 but have held up better because they didn't need have a new generation come out



I have the same thought. Doesn't make sense.
comparing what they cost new vs what the first ones can be bought for now they dropped a lot. this HP increase will have them sinking more.
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:23 PM   #21
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See I would disagree and if enough market tips to 6th it will drive zl1 down further. If its straight SS I could see the argument, but still better chassis, better interior, tech, less weight, DI advantages.

If 1LE gets to same price(and its close now) Id take it hands down over most 5th gen zl1's. Get the brakes, mag ride, zl1 elsd, npp, recaros. Lapped Laguna faster than the Z28. Most ZL1 guys Ive seen are still trying to get mid 30k's which is direct competition with these.

And dont take this the wrong way, I just like chatting about it. I was drooling over a ZL1 and a 6th Saturday night at a local cruise in.
Aside from the chassis/weight, the rest of the 6th Gen "advantages" are subjective.

I just bought my Camaro a few months ago, so I was in the current market with a mid 30's budget for one or the other. I looked at the SS/1LE, but for a variety of reasons decided to find a 5th. I ended up with my 3k mile car for under $35k.
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:25 PM   #22
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comparing what they cost new vs what the first ones can be bought for now they dropped a lot. this HP increase will have them sinking more.
If you include ADM, sure. But that varied by dealer.

I agree, prices on used 707hp Hellcat's should start dropping
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:55 PM   #23
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KBB value is about 10% over inflated so that is some of your loss. If you want an accurate value you have to use NADA or Blackbook. I traded my '13 M6 vert ZL1 a year ago and only got $32k. I probably could have sold private for $35k but why go thru the hassle when you just have to use the diff to pay the extra sales tax on the new vehicle?
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:37 PM   #24
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I think the 6th gens are atleast partially responsible for this. I’ve been cross shopping vette, gen 5, gen 6. Vette proly out cuz back seat. Hard to justify 25-30k for 1le or 30k plus for zl1. When used 6th gens are popping up in low to mid 30s with a better chassis and similar performance. ZL1 still one of the quickest ways to 6-700hp though.

Personally I’m of the opinion they will keep going down. 6ths will drive 5ths down. I think I could see zl1 having a plateau 20-25k like 03-04 cobras had back in the day for rarity and crazy hp potential.
Agreed. You can find 6th gen SS's in the mid to high 20's and 6th gen SS 1LE's in the low to mid $30k's, sometimes even with some mods.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:38 PM   #25
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OP, your post is missing some critical details..what did you pay for it? If you lost 31k, would that mean you paid 61k used? I hope you are not factoring in mods & upgrades, they can actually cause depreciation. Most people see an ice box in a car and run like hell..

Cars are not an asset, they are a liability. Most people forget the enjoyment and function the car brought them when they go to sell it. They depreciate.

Also, I think selling cars is an art, what day to post, what time of day, types of photos, the write up, the geographic market you are selling in, all can affect the sale.

Sorry for your loss, but don't blame the car. Still the best all around performance car at that price point.
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Old 07-20-2018, 08:05 PM   #26
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I traded my 2012 for $32k in 2017 with 28k miles and got $10k off a new truck. $32k was KBB value. I bought it in 2014 for $42k with 10k miles. I thought I did great considering that I thought about buying a brand new 2014 SS for the same price. When I traded it in I checked KBB on the SS and it was less. Basically I would have broke even on the car loan with the SS but I walked away with over $10k on the ZL1.
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Old 07-21-2018, 05:40 PM   #27
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The key to selling (and buying) is patience. There is a butt for every seat. I think I paid a couple grand more than I could have if I were more flexible on options but when it's the right one I will keep it for a decade or more. As long as I don't hit a deer or get rear ended, the loss will be acceptable.
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Old 07-24-2018, 07:44 AM   #28
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Your vehicle is worth 10-15% less than whatever you find on Cargurus, if you're lucky. KBB is irrelevant, you need to be looking at comps. Low mileage 13 ZL1s can be had all day off a dealer lot for $30-31k with verts $2k more. Private party sales are in the mid to upper 20's.
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