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Shift_Rejected · 09-01-2013, 01:02 PM

I purchased a used 2011 Camaro with 50k miles and no catch can

Getting a catch can on is one of my first priorities but I have a few questions for the folks of camaro5

1.) Do I need to seafoam or anything first?
(I'm not a big fan of seafoam, perhaps just some gas treatments...)

2.) Are all catch-cans the same?
I don't like to put lesser quality parts in but I'm not sure theres any performance differences with catch-cans.

This was the one I was looking at, otherwise if there is a difference I'll probably go with elite.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GSP-ALUMINUM...1ff5b5&vxp=mtr

Catch Can - Ebay

kjkjr27 · 09-01-2013, 01:11 PM

If you are really worried about the build up you can go to the dealer and get an upper induction cleaning done. I know some people have done it but I personally have not. Not sure if it really helps or not.

Not all cans are the same. A good can has a system set up inside that makes it easier to catch oil. I would recommend getting an elite engineering catch can as opposed to that. That can doesn't really look like it would work good honestly.

Apex Motorsports · 09-01-2013, 01:26 PM

When it comes to selecting a catch can you will get what you pay for. Cheap catch cans (less than $100) are plentiful but they are often little more than an empty can with two ports. These will capture a small amount of fluid that will make you feel all warm and fuzzy but the vast majority passes straight through and ends up where you don't want it. Be sure that the can is designed with an effective internal filtration and baffling system to pull the oil vapor out of suspension. RX Performance and Elite Engineering catch cans are both great options for V6 and SS Camaro owners and a new option will be available sometime this month. If you have questions regarding this or any other topic the crew at Apex Motorsports is more than happy to answer them.

ChadG · 09-01-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Apex Chase

When it comes to selecting a catch can you will get what you pay for. Cheap catch cans (less than $100) are plentiful but they are often little more than an empty can with two ports. These will capture a small amount of fluid that will make you feel all warm and fuzzy but the vast majority passes straight through and ends up where you don't want it. Be sure that the can is designed with an effective internal filtration and baffling system to pull the oil vapor out of suspension. RX Performance and Elite Engineering catch cans are both great options for V6 and SS Camaro owners and a new option will be available sometime this month. If you have questions regarding this or any other topic the crew at Apex Motorsports is more than happy to answer them.

Chase what can you tell me about this "new option"!?! Can you say anything about its performance with respect to the Rx and Elite cans? PM me!

kjkjr27 · 09-01-2013, 01:43 PM

+1, I was wondering about this new option as well

its a syn · 09-01-2013, 01:45 PM

Chase is buying more stock in popcorn!!! lol. Please tell us soon!

Apex Motorsports · 09-01-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ChadG

Chase what can you tell me about this "new option"!?! Can you say anything about its performance with respect to the Rx and Elite cans? PM me!

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Originally Posted by kjkjr27

+1, I was wondering about this new option as well

The RX and Elite are both good catch cans but in terms of function and quality this new catch can surpasses them both.

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Originally Posted by its a syn

Chase is buying more stock in popcorn!!! lol. Please tell us soon!

Should be able to in the next couple weeks.

Shift_Rejected · 09-01-2013, 02:16 PM

Interesting... Well I'm convinced and will skip the cheap catch can.

I think now I'll hold out until the top-secret Apex can comes out..

Decepticon21 · 09-01-2013, 07:53 PM

I have the exact catch can you provided the link too above. It was cheap and it definetly is catching oil. I cleaned the port leading into the intake when installed and has yet to be oiled up again. So I say in my opinion its working good for me. I already drained it at 2000 miles an it caught good amount of oil. Im gonna tear it down to look in the valves at 6k miles an see whats up in there.

elsololobo02 · 09-01-2013, 09:05 PM

Not all catch cans are equal but all in all they function the same. The Rx can will be fine for NA (make sure it has zero check valves!!) but the breather element lets in un-metered air, bottom line. So wether NA or FI your fuel trims will be off a little. The Rx breather element check valve has not been tested whatsoever to allow a "measured" amount of air into the crankcase for the ECM for compensate. All air is measured via the Mass Airflow Sensor or (MAF). The PCV is meant to be a closed loop system for daily drivers. Racers and track peeps, different story.

I can't believe there are vendors on this website that are still selling Rx products.

The Rx FI can check valves do not allow enough air to be evacuated from the crankcase. On top of that, the breather element allows air in, but not out and you will have issues. Maybe not immediately but give it time and your fuel trims will be off and FI guys/gals will have oiling issues. Some NA owners have publicaly reported of oil in the intake tubing and intake maifold after adding the breather with the check valve.

You will be amazed at how much air at idle/city driving is sucked into the crankcase via the breather and you will be even more amazed at how much is evacuated from the crankcase at high/WOT RPM's.

I am a FI guy and can attest to the Rx FI can not working properly nor the breather element. Just my 2 cents. I hope the new can will not be a Rx product.

intensifi · 09-02-2013, 12:51 AM

Get the upper induction cleaning done.

Dealer is fine or try a shop that uses BG products.
I didn't trust all the catch can vendor pics showing how dirty the valves and intake manifold get until I inspected them myself. Mine were very dirty. It's the price we pay for these direct injection engines. The upper induction cleaning noticeably smoothed out my idle and acceleration.

Install your new catch can immediately after the cleaning.

Install the 1LE separator if you want clean side oil ingestion protection as well.

Remember to empty your catch can!

Nutbutt · 09-02-2013, 07:47 AM

If you want the best catch can available on the best performing cars, check out Saikou Michi. http://www.saikoumichi.com/
Has the best catch system out there for both FI, non-FI, and many options so you can customize the can the way you want it. I would advise a ball valve drain for ease of draining and leaves the guessing out of if the drain was left open.
Check it out this is the best out there made for the best cars out there.

ChadG · 09-02-2013, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nutbutt

If you want the best catch can available on the best performing cars, check out Saikou Michi. http://www.saikoumichi.com/
Has the best catch system out there for both FI, non-FI, and many options so you can customize the can the way you want it. I would advise a ball valve drain for ease of draining and leaves the guessing out of if the drain was left open.
Check it out this is the best out there made for the best cars out there.

I've had a tab with his site on it open for ~2 months now just can't justify swapping out my Rx can yet after I've removed the checkvalve from it. They definitely look nice, though!

montreal2010yellow · 09-03-2013, 07:02 AM

I installed the Elite can because I find it's easier to empty.
Here's the oil the can picked for a 1,200 miles run from Montréal to Woodward Dream Cruise near Detroit.

Had a cheaper one before and it did'nt cath oil until I added some stainless wool into it. Loss of money for that cheap one.

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09-01-2013, 01:02 PM	#1
Shift_Rejected 2010 2SS RS Drives: 2010 2SS RS (L99) Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Wilmington, DelaWHERE Posts: 749	Are all catch cans the same? I purchased a used 2011 Camaro with 50k miles and no catch can Getting a catch can on is one of my first priorities but I have a few questions for the folks of camaro5 1.) Do I need to seafoam or anything first? (I'm not a big fan of seafoam, perhaps just some gas treatments...) 2.) Are all catch-cans the same? I don't like to put lesser quality parts in but I'm not sure theres any performance differences with catch-cans. This was the one I was looking at, otherwise if there is a difference I'll probably go with elite. http://www.ebay.com/itm/GSP-ALUMINUM...1ff5b5&vxp=mtr Catch Can - Ebay

09-01-2013, 01:11 PM	#2
kjkjr27 COTW 9/16/13 Drives: 2011 2LT/RS Camaro IOM Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Syracuse Posts: 10,089	If you are really worried about the build up you can go to the dealer and get an upper induction cleaning done. I know some people have done it but I personally have not. Not sure if it really helps or not. Not all cans are the same. A good can has a system set up inside that makes it easier to catch oil. I would recommend getting an elite engineering catch can as opposed to that. That can doesn't really look like it would work good honestly. __________________ Twitch Youtube

09-01-2013, 01:43 PM	#5
kjkjr27 COTW 9/16/13 Drives: 2011 2LT/RS Camaro IOM Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Syracuse Posts: 10,089	+1, I was wondering about this new option as well __________________ Twitch Youtube

09-01-2013, 01:45 PM	#6
its a syn B.O.D. 02/16/10 Drives: 2010 SGM Sp. Edition 2017 RS Conver Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Albia,Iowa Posts: 3,959 View My Garage	Chase is buying more stock in popcorn!!! lol. Please tell us soon! __________________

09-01-2013, 09:05 PM	#10
elsololobo02 Drives: 2014 ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 276 View My Garage	Not all catch cans are equal but all in all they function the same. The Rx can will be fine for NA (make sure it has zero check valves!!) but the breather element lets in un-metered air, bottom line. So wether NA or FI your fuel trims will be off a little. The Rx breather element check valve has not been tested whatsoever to allow a "measured" amount of air into the crankcase for the ECM for compensate. All air is measured via the Mass Airflow Sensor or (MAF). The PCV is meant to be a closed loop system for daily drivers. Racers and track peeps, different story. I can't believe there are vendors on this website that are still selling Rx products. The Rx FI can check valves do not allow enough air to be evacuated from the crankcase. On top of that, the breather element allows air in, but not out and you will have issues. Maybe not immediately but give it time and your fuel trims will be off and FI guys/gals will have oiling issues. Some NA owners have publicaly reported of oil in the intake tubing and intake maifold after adding the breather with the check valve. You will be amazed at how much air at idle/city driving is sucked into the crankcase via the breather and you will be even more amazed at how much is evacuated from the crankcase at high/WOT RPM's. I am a FI guy and can attest to the Rx FI can not working properly nor the breather element. Just my 2 cents. I hope the new can will not be a Rx product. Last edited by elsololobo02; 09-01-2013 at 10:10 PM.

09-01-2013, 01:26 PM	#3
Apex Motorsports Drives: 2000 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Louisville, Ky. Posts: 25,179	When it comes to selecting a catch can you will get what you pay for. Cheap catch cans (less than $100) are plentiful but they are often little more than an empty can with two ports. These will capture a small amount of fluid that will make you feel all warm and fuzzy but the vast majority passes straight through and ends up where you don't want it. Be sure that the can is designed with an effective internal filtration and baffling system to pull the oil vapor out of suspension. RX Performance and Elite Engineering catch cans are both great options for V6 and SS Camaro owners and a new option will be available sometime this month. If you have questions regarding this or any other topic the crew at Apex Motorsports is more than happy to answer them.

09-01-2013, 02:16 PM	#8
Shift_Rejected 2010 2SS RS Drives: 2010 2SS RS (L99) Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Wilmington, DelaWHERE Posts: 749	Interesting... Well I'm convinced and will skip the cheap catch can. I think now I'll hold out until the top-secret Apex can comes out..

09-01-2013, 07:53 PM	#9
Decepticon21 Drives: 2010 Camaro v6 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Barberton, Ohio Posts: 283	I have the exact catch can you provided the link too above. It was cheap and it definetly is catching oil. I cleaned the port leading into the intake when installed and has yet to be oiled up again. So I say in my opinion its working good for me. I already drained it at 2000 miles an it caught good amount of oil. Im gonna tear it down to look in the valves at 6k miles an see whats up in there.

09-02-2013, 12:51 AM	#11
intensifi Drives: '12 2LT Convertible Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Belmont, California Posts: 1,701	Get the upper induction cleaning done. Dealer is fine or try a shop that uses BG products. I didn't trust all the catch can vendor pics showing how dirty the valves and intake manifold get until I inspected them myself. Mine were very dirty. It's the price we pay for these direct injection engines. The upper induction cleaning noticeably smoothed out my idle and acceleration. Install your new catch can immediately after the cleaning. Install the 1LE separator if you want clean side oil ingestion protection as well. Remember to empty your catch can! __________________ Mods: GM Locking Gas Cap, RS License Plate Frame, SS Brembos, ZL1 FrontEnd, 14/15 Convertible Top

09-02-2013, 07:47 AM	#12
Nutbutt Drives: 2011 RJT 2LT/RS Convertible Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Western Massachusetts Posts: 3,381 View My Garage	If you want the best catch can available on the best performing cars, check out Saikou Michi. http://www.saikoumichi.com/ Has the best catch system out there for both FI, non-FI, and many options so you can customize the can the way you want it. I would advise a ball valve drain for ease of draining and leaves the guessing out of if the drain was left open. Check it out this is the best out there made for the best cars out there. __________________ 1st IPF Supercharged 2011 2LT/RS RJT Convertible

09-03-2013, 07:02 AM	#14
montreal2010yellow Drives: 2 LT/RS YELLOW, AUTO., VIN NO. 602 Join Date: May 2010 Location: LAVAL (10 min. north of Montreal), CANADA Posts: 3,526 View My Garage	I installed the Elite can because I find it's easier to empty. Here's the oil the can picked for a 1,200 miles run from Montréal to Woodward Dream Cruise near Detroit. Had a cheaper one before and it did'nt cath oil until I added some stainless wool into it. Loss of money for that cheap one. __________________ T2 Facia, ACS TL1 Hood, ACS Winglets. G5CR CAI. Hotchsic Strut Brace and more...