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cactuseater · 08-28-2012, 11:43 PM

Spike ---

How does one re-route the cable correctly, in other words disconnect which end? The screwed end forward or the "block end" in the frame? I haven't really looked at it but will take a peek tonight. I'd love to show them exactly where they screwed up...in person, and reroute it right in front of them. According to them this incorrect version is "normal". LOL.... I haven't as of yet seen any that were right around here in person, no time really bummer. Thanks for the pictures, it makes perfect sense.

He11bent · 08-29-2012, 09:25 AM

Hey guys, Just an FYI, although this routing looks correct and the square peg fits in the square hole, and the good results that Spike has with it, the GM service instructions for installing the new top do not specify how the cables are to be routed (which is obviuosly a problem). It tells the tech to leave the cables protruding from the seals (over the quarter windows) when removing the old top. I didnt see any step to route them when installing the new top.

Just saying I would be careful poking them in the eye with how we think it should be done. Catching more flies with honey and all that...

I took the block end loose. It is about 7" below where the cable comes out of the top and only held in place by a piece of tape. Took about 15 minutes to do both sides.

spikess581 · 08-29-2012, 03:09 PM

Hellbent answered for me! That Zamak block just gets turned on it's side and out it comes. The tape is just to hold it in place until you get tension on the cable.

themoneypit · 08-29-2012, 03:27 PM

Glad you guys got the cable problem figured out. I cant believe, if its that straight forward, why the installers cant figure that out... Atleast its an easy fix!

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spikess581 · 08-29-2012, 07:27 PM

That's because we are really undercover rocket scientist's and all those common people just can't keep up

He11bent · 08-29-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by spikess581

That's because we are really undercover rocket scientist's and all those common people just can't keep up

basecar · 08-31-2012, 08:45 AM

Update: Since my new top was put on a couple of weeks ago, I finally got around to washing the car and now I have water in the rear passenger floor, both sides. I did not have any water there before the new top. I could not find any signs of water running down from the windows or anything. Any ideas or thoughts on what could cause this?

theragtopguy · 08-31-2012, 09:02 AM

It's the water bag in the back, it's been covered lots, do a search on this forum for it. Sounds like they goofed it up when the top got replaced.

SSTOKED · 08-31-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by basecar

Update: Since my new top was put on a couple of weeks ago, I finally got around to washing the car and now I have water in the rear passenger floor, both sides. I did not have any water there before the new top. I could not find any signs of water running down from the windows or anything. Any ideas or thoughts on what could cause this?

Two typical sources of water bag leaks are the front drain tubes not being snapped in all the way and the fold of material just above the front drain tubes not being positioned properly. Search my threads for the one that compares the new and old water bag. There are pics in there.

basecar · 08-31-2012, 10:48 AM

Thanks, will check those threads. Also checked the spare tire well, no water there.

themoneypit · 08-31-2012, 01:13 PM

Just got notified that my "remedy" was approved by GM! They are paying 2 of my monthly car payments! Woohoo!

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pacecarguy · 08-31-2012, 01:49 PM

That's cool. I have an engineer ... Actually up to 3 ... Coming out next week to fix my issues.

themoneypit · 08-31-2012, 01:53 PM

Basecar, thats exactly why I DEMANDED they update the water bag to the newer design without these problems!
i was willing to pay for the waterbag (list 210 cost GM about 100) if i absolutely had to. i was that adamant about it!! from what i was told by the dealer, the new bags have 6 drains instead of the original 4 drains. so to me that is a no brainer, and for the 100 bux they cost, it should be included with a new top!! even if they included it and upped the cost of the top 100 bux, regardless, the water bag should be replaced anytime the top is replaced on a car with the old design bag IMHO.

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pacecarguy · 09-04-2012, 10:14 PM

So meeting with engineer coming to the dealer tomorrow. Has there been a final decision on those "cables" that are routed between the canvas and second bow? Is that normal or is that also resolved by rerouting them somewhere else?

08-29-2012, 09:25 AM	#254
He11bent Drives: 2019 2SS Convertible Camaro Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 670	Hey guys, Just an FYI, although this routing looks correct and the square peg fits in the square hole, and the good results that Spike has with it, the GM service instructions for installing the new top do not specify how the cables are to be routed (which is obviuosly a problem). It tells the tech to leave the cables protruding from the seals (over the quarter windows) when removing the old top. I didnt see any step to route them when installing the new top. Just saying I would be careful poking them in the eye with how we think it should be done. Catching more flies with honey and all that... I took the block end loose. It is about 7" below where the cable comes out of the top and only held in place by a piece of tape. Took about 15 minutes to do both sides. __________________ \(^^^)/ <--A Smile From He11 Escort 360 MAXX w/DIYGen5 hardwire Harness K&N AirCharger Cold Air Intake Sound Tube Delete

08-29-2012, 03:27 PM	#256
themoneypit Drives: 2012 45th convertible ss ls3 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: CT Posts: 215	Glad you guys got the cable problem figured out. I cant believe, if its that straight forward, why the installers cant figure that out... Atleast its an easy fix! Posted from Camaro5.com App for Android __________________

08-31-2012, 09:02 AM	#260
theragtopguy Lifetime Philly Fan Drives: 2015 Spring Edition 2SS M-6 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: South Central Florida Posts: 1,862 View My Garage	It's the water bag in the back, it's been covered lots, do a search on this forum for it. Sounds like they goofed it up when the top got replaced. __________________ 2015 Green Flash, Delivered 4/10/15 CAI, NPP Exhaust, Short-throw shifter BBK LT HEADERS 1 7/8” Tune by DynoSteve via SCTx4 Tuner One of 82 GF Ragtops built in '15 out of 811 Total [/SIZE]

08-31-2012, 01:13 PM	#263
themoneypit Drives: 2012 45th convertible ss ls3 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: CT Posts: 215	Just got notified that my "remedy" was approved by GM! They are paying 2 of my monthly car payments! Woohoo! Posted from Camaro5.com App for Android __________________

08-31-2012, 01:53 PM	#265
themoneypit Drives: 2012 45th convertible ss ls3 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: CT Posts: 215	Basecar, thats exactly why I DEMANDED they update the water bag to the newer design without these problems! i was willing to pay for the waterbag (list 210 cost GM about 100) if i absolutely had to. i was that adamant about it!! from what i was told by the dealer, the new bags have 6 drains instead of the original 4 drains. so to me that is a no brainer, and for the 100 bux they cost, it should be included with a new top!! even if they included it and upped the cost of the top 100 bux, regardless, the water bag should be replaced anytime the top is replaced on a car with the old design bag IMHO. Posted from Camaro5.com App for Android __________________ Last edited by themoneypit; 08-31-2012 at 07:33 PM.

08-28-2012, 11:43 PM	#253
cactuseater Drives: . Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: USA Posts: 856	Spike --- How does one re-route the cable correctly, in other words disconnect which end? The screwed end forward or the "block end" in the frame? I haven't really looked at it but will take a peek tonight. I'd love to show them exactly where they screwed up...in person, and reroute it right in front of them. According to them this incorrect version is "normal". LOL.... I haven't as of yet seen any that were right around here in person, no time really bummer. Thanks for the pictures, it makes perfect sense.

08-29-2012, 03:09 PM	#255
spikess581 Drives: IOM2SSconvertible,64 malibu,04fxdwg Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Bristol Pa Posts: 356	Hellbent answered for me! That Zamak block just gets turned on it's side and out it comes. The tape is just to hold it in place until you get tension on the cable.

08-29-2012, 07:27 PM	#257
spikess581 Drives: IOM2SSconvertible,64 malibu,04fxdwg Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Bristol Pa Posts: 356	That's because we are really undercover rocket scientist's and all those common people just can't keep up

08-31-2012, 08:45 AM	#259
basecar Drives: 2013 Crystal Red RS Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Southern IL, Fla Posts: 59	Update: Since my new top was put on a couple of weeks ago, I finally got around to washing the car and now I have water in the rear passenger floor, both sides. I did not have any water there before the new top. I could not find any signs of water running down from the windows or anything. Any ideas or thoughts on what could cause this?

08-31-2012, 10:48 AM	#262
basecar Drives: 2013 Crystal Red RS Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Southern IL, Fla Posts: 59	Thanks, will check those threads. Also checked the spare tire well, no water there.

08-31-2012, 01:49 PM	#264
pacecarguy Drives: 2010 Indy 500 Pace Car Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Macedonia Ohio Posts: 52 View My Garage	That's cool. I have an engineer ... Actually up to 3 ... Coming out next week to fix my issues.

09-04-2012, 10:14 PM	#266
pacecarguy Drives: 2010 Indy 500 Pace Car Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Macedonia Ohio Posts: 52 View My Garage	So meeting with engineer coming to the dealer tomorrow. Has there been a final decision on those "cables" that are routed between the canvas and second bow? Is that normal or is that also resolved by rerouting them somewhere else?