which supercharger - KB or Maggie? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

redZ28 · 05-24-2010, 11:21 AM

I have done some forum searches, but maybe I just haven't hit the right search words- so I apologize if I am bringing up an old subject. I do suspect that the issue of which supercharger provides the best performance has been debated before.

I am soon to purchase a supercharger, and plan to get either the Kenne Bell 2800 or the Magnuson 2300. I've seen many opinions as to which is better, but have not seen actual numbers that would make the choice obvious. The challenge is separating the supercharger from other modifications. Maybe the performance actually depends on the other modifications too much to compare just the air pump?

My original plan was for the Maggie, but recent posts about the KB have me wondering. However, a couple of the big boys (Callaway and Lingenfelter) have chosen the Maggie, which makes me think that this is the best choice.
Does anyone have some links that provides definitive data?

2010 Bumblebee · 05-24-2010, 11:32 AM

Did you see;

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77958

I asked tons of questions there.

redZ28 · 05-24-2010, 11:55 AM

That looks like a great resource. Thanks!

TeddyP25 · 05-24-2010, 11:57 AM

Edlebrock E-force..Lingenfelter has this option now also. Good luck with your choices.

*radz28* · 05-24-2010, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2010 Bumblebee

Did you see;

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77958

I asked tons of questions there.

I don't know how I missed that one!!! There's some GREAT stuff in there!

The 2010 Sin · 05-24-2010, 12:50 PM

I've had a Maggie on my 2004 corvette, hated it. Wasnt ballsy enough, had the procharger on my 2002 Camaro SS and it was pretty cool but Im not a centrif kind of guy.. finally had the Kenne on my 03 cobra after removing the eaton blower and HOLY SHIZNIT... "i'll never own anything else."

Heres my 03 cobra with the kenne under WOT to 157mph.

Jontall · 05-24-2010, 02:26 PM

I'd go with the Kenne Bell because it allows for more modifications. Say at some point you want to install a forged rotating assembly (418 or 427), the TVS is not going to handle it.

SinisterSS · 05-24-2010, 02:28 PM

Man do I wish my KB had that whine like they did on the stangs! I miss that. Very cool!

Will@Apf · 05-24-2010, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SinisterSS

Man do I wish my KB had that whine like they did on the stangs! I miss that. Very cool!

Just ride with my girl and pass a mall without stopping....all the whine you will ever need...

hypurone · 05-24-2010, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Will@Apf

Just ride with my girl and pass a mall without stoping....all the whine you will ever need...

Oh yeah

I just did a Maggie on mine. It has a decent amount of whine above 2000rpm...

*radz28* · 05-24-2010, 02:42 PM

I think the KB will have more headroom, but it will depend on what your intentions are. If you plan on going racing, all-out, maybe the KB is for you. I believe I read an article a couple months ago on a 2.8 on a forged 6.1 HEMI and it put down 1030 FWHP on like 24 psi. I believe it was finally topped out, because there was only a few horse' difference from 22 to 24 psi or something. If you're only going to run a maximum of 12 psi, I really don't know that you're going to see much of a difference. Without getting apples-to-apples comparisons, I don't think there are many conclusions we can draw - yet. We haven't seen but a couple KB cars out there, and the couple that do are making, what, 560-580 RWHP with a CAI (or upgraded filter), about 8 psi and custom tune. It's pretty much fact an LS3 TVS 2300 car will make 500 RWHP, through the completely stock air box and 6-7 psi. CAI seems to bring RWHP up another 20, or so, RWHP, so add a couple more psi, and it seems we're pretty d@mn close. I think it can really go either way. Maggy cars have been proving themselves for a while now; I believe the KB cars are certainly putting up a good fight. It'd be nice to have the comparison I think many of us are looking for, but sadly, I don't see it happening.

I really don't think you can go wrong either way if you're looking to make around 600 RWHP - beyond that, I'd like to see more info'.

*TAG UR IT* · 05-24-2010, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The 2010 Sin

I've had a Maggie on my 2004 corvette, hated it. Wasnt ballsy enough, had the procharger on my 2002 Camaro SS and it was pretty cool but Im not a centrif kind of guy.. finally had the Kenne on my 03 cobra after removing the eaton blower and HOLY SHIZNIT... "i'll never own anything else."

Heres my 03 cobra with the kenne under WOT to 157mph.

OH MY BLEEPEDY BLEEP!!!

Makes me want a KB that much more....

lock · 05-24-2010, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Will@Apf

Just ride with my girl and pass a mall without stopping....all the whine you will ever need...

mws444 · 05-24-2010, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The 2010 Sin

I've had a Maggie on my 2004 corvette, hated it. Wasnt ballsy enough, had the procharger on my 2002 Camaro SS and it was pretty cool but Im not a centrif kind of guy.. finally had the Kenne on my 03 cobra after removing the eaton blower and HOLY SHIZNIT... "i'll never own anything else."

Heres my 03 cobra with the kenne under WOT to 157mph.

Wow! Just gotta love the power that comes a huffer, nice ride!!

05-24-2010, 11:21 AM	#1
redZ28 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Conv. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 131	which supercharger - KB or Maggie? I have done some forum searches, but maybe I just haven't hit the right search words- so I apologize if I am bringing up an old subject. I do suspect that the issue of which supercharger provides the best performance has been debated before. I am soon to purchase a supercharger, and plan to get either the Kenne Bell 2800 or the Magnuson 2300. I've seen many opinions as to which is better, but have not seen actual numbers that would make the choice obvious. The challenge is separating the supercharger from other modifications. Maybe the performance actually depends on the other modifications too much to compare just the air pump? My original plan was for the Maggie, but recent posts about the KB have me wondering. However, a couple of the big boys (Callaway and Lingenfelter) have chosen the Maggie, which makes me think that this is the best choice. Does anyone have some links that provides definitive data?

05-24-2010, 11:32 AM	#2
2010 Bumblebee Drives: Transformers Edition Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Mass Posts: 1,048 View My Garage	Did you see; http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77958 I asked tons of questions there. __________________ The Yellow Camaro Club http://www.camaro5.com/forums/group.php?groupid=128 Northern Massachusetts & Southern New Hampshire Camaro Club http://www.camaro5.com/forums/group.php?groupid=127 The mother of all supercharger questions thread http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77958 My 2010 Camaro Review http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2025442#post2025442 2010 Transformer Edition Camaro L99 Auto

05-24-2010, 11:57 AM	#4
TeddyP25 Drives: 2SS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Fort Collins Posts: 611	Edlebrock E-force..Lingenfelter has this option now also. Good luck with your choices. __________________ 2SS/RS CGM/BLK GFX MN6418 Stroker.785rwhp/885lbtq.50 SHOT NO2..Pfadt arms,toe links,coilovers,swaybars,end links,engine mounts,dif/sub bushings.MGWshifter.Tick LVL 3.ARH1 7/8 LT's/ARH exhaust.ADM gauges/race CAI.E-FORCE SC.8 rib IW 10%OD.LPE dual pump/module.85lb inj,custom valve covers.RMCR tune.TOOLEY RACING CAM.JRE posi kit.JRE fuel upgrade.RX MONSTER CatchCan.DSS axels/DS.Hammerhead rear, 3:73's. WYOSPEED builthttp://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115687

05-24-2010, 12:50 PM	#6
The 2010 Sin Dont H8 Me Cuz U Aint Me Drives: 2016 SS Sedan, 2017 Explorer Sport Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 2,910	I've had a Maggie on my 2004 corvette, hated it. Wasnt ballsy enough, had the procharger on my 2002 Camaro SS and it was pretty cool but Im not a centrif kind of guy.. finally had the Kenne on my 03 cobra after removing the eaton blower and HOLY SHIZNIT... "i'll never own anything else." Heres my 03 cobra with the kenne under WOT to 157mph. __________________

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05-24-2010, 11:55 AM	#3
redZ28 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Conv. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 131	That looks like a great resource. Thanks!

05-24-2010, 02:26 PM	#7
Jontall Drives: GTO Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 129	I'd go with the Kenne Bell because it allows for more modifications. Say at some point you want to install a forged rotating assembly (418 or 427), the TVS is not going to handle it.

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05-24-2010, 02:42 PM	#11
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,201 View My Garage	I think the KB will have more headroom, but it will depend on what your intentions are. If you plan on going racing, all-out, maybe the KB is for you. I believe I read an article a couple months ago on a 2.8 on a forged 6.1 HEMI and it put down 1030 FWHP on like 24 psi. I believe it was finally topped out, because there was only a few horse' difference from 22 to 24 psi or something. If you're only going to run a maximum of 12 psi, I really don't know that you're going to see much of a difference. Without getting apples-to-apples comparisons, I don't think there are many conclusions we can draw - yet. We haven't seen but a couple KB cars out there, and the couple that do are making, what, 560-580 RWHP with a CAI (or upgraded filter), about 8 psi and custom tune. It's pretty much fact an LS3 TVS 2300 car will make 500 RWHP, through the completely stock air box and 6-7 psi. CAI seems to bring RWHP up another 20, or so, RWHP, so add a couple more psi, and it seems we're pretty d@mn close. I think it can really go either way. Maggy cars have been proving themselves for a while now; I believe the KB cars are certainly putting up a good fight. It'd be nice to have the comparison I think many of us are looking for, but sadly, I don't see it happening. I really don't think you can go wrong either way if you're looking to make around 600 RWHP - beyond that, I'd like to see more info'.