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southerncarparts · 08-20-2010, 09:32 AM

The Borla Exhaust have been HUGE sellers...Since they are so popular and I get the same questions, I wanted to share some thoughts before you make a decision on which one to go with...

There are several flavors for the Camaro now.....
In the ATAK Series you have the
Camaro ATAK CatBack Exhaust System

Camaro Axleback ATAK Exhaust
Camaro ATAK Catback Exhaust for Camaros with Ground Effects Package
Camaro ATAK Axleback Exhaust for Camaros with Ground Effects Package

Then you have the Borla Camaro Catback Touring System (which does not sound much different than stock. For the person who wants the increased performance with no additional change in exhaust note)

and then in the Borla Sport lineup (which is my favorite)...
Camaro Borla Sport Catback
Camaro Borla Sport Axleback Exhaust

and the only 3" Borla system (OEM system and the other above systems are 2.5")
Borla 3" Camaro Sport Catback Exhaust If you get the 3" system, you will also want to get a new Camaro Billet Tunnel Brace as the 3" system will most likely touch your OEM tunnel Plate and rattle, which will drive you nuts!!!

Some thoughts before purchasing any of them.....

All of the Axle back systems require cutting them OEM system (which i am not a fan of, just in case you ever want to go back to stock). There is also one more "dirty"secret about the Axelbacks which needs to be known....When you install the Axleback it leaves in place the OEM Pre Muffler that is up towards the middle of the car. Not a big deal, but it DOES change the exhaust note slightly as compared to the Catback systems and does not make the system a true dual exhaust as the Catback does.

Both Axle Back and Catback systems are great systems and make a huge improvement in sound, but if you can afford to spring for the extra cash, do it right and get the Catback.

From a sound perspective, you have the touring which sound not much different than stock. Then the Sport (my favorite) which bumps it up a notch from the sound perspective, but not too much. At the ATAK which is the most aggressive sounding of them all.

All of Borla's systems are awesome, but thought prospective shoppers would want to know the down and dirty on each one...

See ya,

Jim

KDInTheWind63 · 08-20-2010, 03:56 PM

I got the ATAK Axle back and i am very pleased with the sound and performance of the exhaust. I also like the Tips as well.

southerncarparts · 08-21-2010, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KDInTheWind63

I got the ATAK Axle back and i am very pleased with the sound and performance of the exhaust. I also like the Tips as well.

Glad to hear you like it! The ATAK is my personal favorite exhaust for the Camaro, also. The sound on it is incredible, there's no doubt about that!

Thanks,
Matt

CaniacFan · 08-21-2010, 09:39 AM

Jim:
Great post. It was very helpful to me. Nice that you took the time to explain the differences for those of us (me) that don't know that much about our cars (still learning something new everyday). I appreciate the "layman's" terms on your thread. Lori

BackinBlackSS/RS · 08-21-2010, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southerncarparts

..When you install the Axleback it leaves in place the OEM Pre Muffler that is up towards the middle of the car. Not a big deal, but it DOES change the exhaust note slightly as compared to the Catback systems and does not make the system a true dual exhaust as the Catback does.

Are you saying the stock system is not a true dual exhaust? I don't believe this is an accurate statement.

southerncarparts · 08-21-2010, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Are you saying the stock system is not a true dual exhaust? I don't believe this is an accurate statement.

Well, I guess it depends on what you call a "Dual Exhaust"...The OEM system drops down from the exhaust manifolds and then comes together into a common premuffler chamber (dual pipe in this muffler are no longer existent). The out the back of the pre muffler it goes back into a dual exhaust and out the rear.

The Borla system removes the pre muffler completely and stays as two separate pipes all the way back to the mufflers. So it is truly dual exhaust all the way from front to rear.

Sure you can call the OEM System "dual exhaust" but it is Not a true dual exhaust for the entire length of the system. It is dual, then into a large common muffler (no longer dual at this point), the dual again out of the muffler into a dual configuration again.

So accurate or inaccurate, just calling it as I see it and my understanding of a true dual exhaust (not saying I am the expert by any means

)

Let me know why you think I am incorrect? I am certainly open to understanding better what dual exhaust means or does not mean..

Thanks,

Jim

BackinBlackSS/RS · 08-21-2010, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southerncarparts

Well, I guess it depends on what you call a "Dual Exhaust"...The OEM system drops down from the exhaust manifolds and then comes together into a common premuffler chamber (dual pipe in this muffler are no longer existent). The out the back of the pre muffler it goes back into a dual exhaust and out the rear.

The Borla system removes the pre muffler completely and stays as two separate pipes all the way back to the mufflers. So it is truly dual exhaust all the way from front to rear.

Sure you can call the OEM System "dual exhaust" but it is Not a true dual exhaust for the entire length of the system. It is dual, then into a large common muffler (no longer dual at this point), the dual again out of the muffler into a dual configuration again.

So accurate or inaccurate, just calling it as I see it and my understanding of a true dual exhaust (not saying I am the expert by any means

)

Let me know why you think I am incorrect? I am certainly open to understanding better what dual exhaust means or does not mean..

Thanks,

Jim

Okay, I see where you are coming from now. I guess I just don't see the pre muffler as something that would cause it not to be a dual exhaust, but the more I think about it calling it a TRUE dual exhaust is probably wrong. Thanks for enlightening me.

BackinBlackSS/RS · 08-21-2010, 04:52 PM

Do you have a pic of this pre muffler. My LS3 does not have any pre muffler. It is true dual all the way back. Now it has some resonators, but no premuffler.

Darth_Emma · 08-21-2010, 05:27 PM

I just wanted to add my experience with my Borla Touring catback exhaust. I put it on with Kooks LT 1 7/8" headers with high flow cats. This combination is considerably louder than stock, but not outrageously loud. When I start the car, I do get a lot of oooohs and ahhhhhs. I also do not get that nasty popping that some exhausts give.

What I wanted from this combination was some growl on start up and under throttle. Yet, I also wanted the cabin to be fairly quiet when cruising so I can hear my music and carry on a conversation. I didn't want the car to be annoying to cruise in. I got EXACTLY what I wanted. I love this combination.

BackinBlackSS/RS · 08-21-2010, 06:21 PM

Just found my answer. The L99 has the pre-muffler. The LS3 does not. LS3 is a true dual exhaust.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...cs+ls3+exhaust

southerncarparts · 08-22-2010, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Just found my answer. The L99 has the pre-muffler. The LS3 does not. LS3 is a true dual exhaust.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...cs+ls3+exhaust

That is perfect.....thanks....helps me out also!!!

Thanks

Jim

BackinBlackSS/RS · 08-22-2010, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southerncarparts

That is perfect.....thanks....helps me out also!!!

Thanks

Jim

You are welcome!!!

southerncarparts · 08-28-2010, 10:09 AM

The Borla Exhaust have been HUGE sellers...Since they are so popular and I get the same questions, I wanted to share some thoughts before you make a decision on which one to go with...

There are several flavors for the Camaro now.....
In the ATAK Series you have the
Camaro ATAK CatBack Exhaust System

Camaro Axleback ATAK Exhaust
Camaro ATAK Catback Exhaust for Camaros with Ground Effects Package
Camaro ATAK Axleback Exhaust for Camaros with Ground Effects Package

Then you have the Borla Camaro Catback Touring System (which does not sound much different than stock. For the person who wants the increased performance with no additional change in exhaust note)

and then in the Borla Sport lineup (which is my favorite)...
Camaro Borla Sport Catback
Camaro Borla Sport Axleback Exhaust

and the only 3" Borla system (OEM system and the other above systems are 2.5")
Borla 3" Camaro Sport Catback Exhaust If you get the 3" system, you will also want to get a new Camaro Billet Tunnel Brace as the 3" system will most likely touch your OEM tunnel Plate and rattle, which will drive you nuts!!!

Some thoughts before purchasing any of them.....

All of the Axle back systems require cutting them OEM system (which i am not a fan of, just in case you ever want to go back to stock). There is also one more "dirty"secret about the Axelbacks which needs to be known....When you install the Axleback it leaves in place the OEM Pre Muffler that is up towards the middle of the car. Not a big deal, but it DOES change the exhaust note slightly as compared to the Catback systems and does not make the L99 system a true dual exhaust as the Catback does.

Both Axle Back and Catback systems are great systems and make a huge improvement in sound, but if you can afford to spring for the extra cash, do it right and get the Catback.

From a sound perspective, you have the touring which sound not much different than stock. Then the Sport (my favorite) which bumps it up a notch from the sound perspective, but not too much. At the ATAK which is the most aggressive sounding of them all.

All of Borla's systems are awesome, but thought prospective shoppers would want to know the down and dirty on each one...

See ya,

Jim

CRAMOS78 · 08-30-2010, 11:59 PM

what about Borla LT's?
Any comments on those?

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08-20-2010, 09:32 AM	#15
southerncarparts Drives: 2009 Corvette Z06 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 2,141	The Borla Exhaust have been HUGE sellers...Since they are so popular and I get the same questions, I wanted to share some thoughts before you make a decision on which one to go with... There are several flavors for the Camaro now..... In the ATAK Series you have the Camaro ATAK CatBack Exhaust System Camaro Axleback ATAK Exhaust Camaro ATAK Catback Exhaust for Camaros with Ground Effects Package Camaro ATAK Axleback Exhaust for Camaros with Ground Effects Package Then you have the Borla Camaro Catback Touring System (which does not sound much different than stock. For the person who wants the increased performance with no additional change in exhaust note) and then in the Borla Sport lineup (which is my favorite)... Camaro Borla Sport Catback Camaro Borla Sport Axleback Exhaust and the only 3" Borla system (OEM system and the other above systems are 2.5") Borla 3" Camaro Sport Catback Exhaust If you get the 3" system, you will also want to get a new Camaro Billet Tunnel Brace as the 3" system will most likely touch your OEM tunnel Plate and rattle, which will drive you nuts!!! Some thoughts before purchasing any of them..... All of the Axle back systems require cutting them OEM system (which i am not a fan of, just in case you ever want to go back to stock). There is also one more "dirty"secret about the Axelbacks which needs to be known....When you install the Axleback it leaves in place the OEM Pre Muffler that is up towards the middle of the car. Not a big deal, but it DOES change the exhaust note slightly as compared to the Catback systems and does not make the system a true dual exhaust as the Catback does. Both Axle Back and Catback systems are great systems and make a huge improvement in sound, but if you can afford to spring for the extra cash, do it right and get the Catback. From a sound perspective, you have the touring which sound not much different than stock. Then the Sport (my favorite) which bumps it up a notch from the sound perspective, but not too much. At the ATAK which is the most aggressive sounding of them all. All of Borla's systems are awesome, but thought prospective shoppers would want to know the down and dirty on each one... See ya, Jim

08-20-2010, 03:56 PM	#16
KDInTheWind63 Drives: 2SS/RS IOM, LS3 - 2SS SIM, L99 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: TX Posts: 208 View My Garage	I got the ATAK Axle back and i am very pleased with the sound and performance of the exhaust. I also like the Tips as well.

08-21-2010, 09:39 AM	#18
CaniacFan Drives: '10 SS CGM #75,288, '14 Stingray Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 3,938	Jim: Great post. It was very helpful to me. Nice that you took the time to explain the differences for those of us (me) that don't know that much about our cars (still learning something new everyday). I appreciate the "layman's" terms on your thread. Lori

08-21-2010, 04:52 PM	#22
BackinBlackSS/RS Go Blue!!!!! Drives: 2012 Cruze LT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 23,290	Do you have a pic of this pre muffler. My LS3 does not have any pre muffler. It is true dual all the way back. Now it has some resonators, but no premuffler.

08-21-2010, 05:27 PM	#23
Darth_Emma Psssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh! Drives: under contruction Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Marysville, Ohio Posts: 12,996 View My Garage	I just wanted to add my experience with my Borla Touring catback exhaust. I put it on with Kooks LT 1 7/8" headers with high flow cats. This combination is considerably louder than stock, but not outrageously loud. When I start the car, I do get a lot of oooohs and ahhhhhs. I also do not get that nasty popping that some exhausts give. What I wanted from this combination was some growl on start up and under throttle. Yet, I also wanted the cabin to be fairly quiet when cruising so I can hear my music and carry on a conversation. I didn't want the car to be annoying to cruise in. I got EXACTLY what I wanted. I love this combination.

08-21-2010, 06:21 PM	#24
BackinBlackSS/RS Go Blue!!!!! Drives: 2012 Cruze LT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 23,290	Just found my answer. The L99 has the pre-muffler. The LS3 does not. LS3 is a true dual exhaust. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...cs+ls3+exhaust

08-28-2010, 10:09 AM	#27
southerncarparts Drives: 2009 Corvette Z06 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 2,141	The Borla Exhaust have been HUGE sellers...Since they are so popular and I get the same questions, I wanted to share some thoughts before you make a decision on which one to go with... There are several flavors for the Camaro now..... In the ATAK Series you have the Camaro ATAK CatBack Exhaust System Camaro Axleback ATAK Exhaust Camaro ATAK Catback Exhaust for Camaros with Ground Effects Package Camaro ATAK Axleback Exhaust for Camaros with Ground Effects Package Then you have the Borla Camaro Catback Touring System (which does not sound much different than stock. For the person who wants the increased performance with no additional change in exhaust note) and then in the Borla Sport lineup (which is my favorite)... Camaro Borla Sport Catback Camaro Borla Sport Axleback Exhaust and the only 3" Borla system (OEM system and the other above systems are 2.5") Borla 3" Camaro Sport Catback Exhaust If you get the 3" system, you will also want to get a new Camaro Billet Tunnel Brace as the 3" system will most likely touch your OEM tunnel Plate and rattle, which will drive you nuts!!! Some thoughts before purchasing any of them..... All of the Axle back systems require cutting them OEM system (which i am not a fan of, just in case you ever want to go back to stock). There is also one more "dirty"secret about the Axelbacks which needs to be known....When you install the Axleback it leaves in place the OEM Pre Muffler that is up towards the middle of the car. Not a big deal, but it DOES change the exhaust note slightly as compared to the Catback systems and does not make the L99 system a true dual exhaust as the Catback does. Both Axle Back and Catback systems are great systems and make a huge improvement in sound, but if you can afford to spring for the extra cash, do it right and get the Catback. From a sound perspective, you have the touring which sound not much different than stock. Then the Sport (my favorite) which bumps it up a notch from the sound perspective, but not too much. At the ATAK which is the most aggressive sounding of them all. All of Borla's systems are awesome, but thought prospective shoppers would want to know the down and dirty on each one... See ya, Jim

08-30-2010, 11:59 PM	#28
CRAMOS78 Gig'em Aggies Drives: 1992 RS 6.0 LSA swap; 2015 Z28 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: laredo, tx Posts: 104	what about Borla LT's? Any comments on those?