1st road course upgrade? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Silverado60 · 08-17-2020, 04:36 PM

I have a 2010 Ls3. Mostly stock suspension. Only upgrade is bmr 1.25 drop springs. I’m going to head to the road course for the second time next month.
What upgrade will give me the best result.
Cradle bushings? Sway bar? Toe rod?
Would love to do it all but can’t afford that....
Just put on a new set of nitto. Nt05

Sorry for the double post

Rons1le · 08-17-2020, 04:47 PM

Sway bars, trailing arms, lower control bushings, toe rods and strut tower bar.

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SS Performance · 08-17-2020, 06:03 PM

Brakes

olblue75 · 08-17-2020, 07:35 PM

Kinda of a subjective question where do you feel the car lacks. If you find a 1LE front bar and a DSE 35mm hollow bar or come across a JPSS 32mm solid bar jump on those. Have you swapped your cradle bushings? That will help with acceleration since the cradle won’t wind up on you. Get a set of front Z28 radius arms they have a stiffer insert and will improve steering wheel return and sharpness. Brakes are a good upgrade but can get out of hand real quick cost wise, just check the road course thread an see what pads everyone is running, I run a hodgepodge of braking in mine CTS-V calipers with Z06 pistons, CTS-V rotors with Stainless lines and a stock rear setup they work very well on stock pads. Tires and wheels are huge as well because if you reduce rotating mass you can improve acceleration and stickier/softer tread compound like a GY Supercar G2 in 285 all the way around on a staggerEd 20x10s and 20x11s(1LE setup) the stretching over the 11 inch rim will help with turn in.

Silverado60 · 08-17-2020, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by olblue75

Kinda of a subjective question where do you feel the car lacks. If you find a 1LE front bar and a DSE 35mm hollow bar or come across a JPSS 32mm solid bar jump on those. Have you swapped your cradle bushings? That will help with acceleration since the cradle won’t wind up on you. Get a set of front Z28 radius arms they have a stiffer insert and will improve steering wheel return and sharpness. Brakes are a good upgrade but can get out of hand real quick cost wise, just check the road course thread an see what pads everyone is running, I run a hodgepodge of braking in mine CTS-V calipers with Z06 pistons, CTS-V rotors with Stainless lines and a stock rear setup they work very well on stock pads. Tires and wheels are huge as well
because if you reduce rotating mass you can improve acceleration and stickier/softer tread compound like a GY Supercar G2 in 285 all the way around on a staggerEd 20x10s and 20x11s(1LE setup) the stretching over the 11 inch rim will help with turn in.

I’ve seen other threads mention the CT’s-v setup. Are they a direct bolt on or are other modifications needed?

The car just doesn’t seem to rotate very well and has a lot of body roll.
I have a pretty good idea of what a good setup should look like I was just trying to see what the biggest bang for the buck was

gtstorey · 08-18-2020, 08:31 AM

The 2010 has the older design sway bar/control arm FE3 setup. That's where I would start. At least update to FE4.
https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398746

olblue75 · 08-18-2020, 11:21 AM

The CTS-V is a bolt on but again can get out of hand quickly the calipers are the same as ZL1, CTS-V, and C7 Z06/GS (the Vette calipers have vented pistons) you’ll need a back plate different lines and rotors can be spendy as well but Rock Auto as a good deal on Brembo rotors. An yes swap over to the the FE4 LCAs an sway bar maybe start with a 1LE set first an go from there.

Level300 · 08-18-2020, 01:29 PM

I’m with Ss performance. Brakes for sure. On my first track day, my brakes faded. I did a flush and put in dot 4 ate blue fluid before hand. It Scared the belzub out of me. After that, I put in z06 brakes calipers, zl1 rotors and stainless lines.

On my second track day, I didn’t have any issues with braking. Now I can focus on driving without worrying so much. I also view brakes as a safety item so I did them first.

If you didn’t experience brake fade, you eventually will, unless your track doesn’t have long straights. Olblue is right, Rock auto had the lowest price on calipers. They just say “corvette” on them. I did mine earlier this year. Where are you in pa?

flht99b · 08-18-2020, 03:22 PM

Autocross and especially road course use is especially hard on wheel bearings, valve springs, brakes which were covered already and the CV joints of the rear axles. Definitely go with DOT4 fluid whether you stay with 4 piston front calipers or 6 piston ZL1/CTS/Corvette calipers. I like the Brembo brake pads the come on the ZL1. Separating the clutch fluid from the brake reservoir is also a must, there are kits do that which some are copies of what I did nearly a decade ago. I use ZL1 wheel bearings at all 4 corners. Will be trying Nitto NT05's this fall for the first time, buddy ran them and they had tons of grip.

BMR Sales · 08-18-2020, 03:23 PM

I gave you suggestions in your other Thread

Cradle Bushings, Trailing Arms & Toe Rods

Silverado60 · 08-18-2020, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gtstorey

The 2010 has the older design sway bar/control arm FE3 setup. That's where I would start. At least update to FE4.
https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398746

Is it worth buying new lca’s to do the fe4 setup? I can get a pretty nice sway bar for my setup

Silverado60 · 08-18-2020, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flht99b

Autocross and especially road course use is especially hard on wheel bearings, valve springs, brakes which were covered already and the CV joints of the rear axles. Definitely go with DOT4 fluid whether you stay with 4 piston front calipers or 6 piston ZL1/CTS/Corvette calipers. I like the Brembo brake pads the come on the ZL1. Separating the clutch fluid from the brake reservoir is also a must, there are kits do that which some are copies of what I did nearly a decade ago. I use ZL1 wheel bearings at all 4 corners. Will be trying Nitto NT05's this fall for the first time, buddy ran them and they had tons of grip.

Why is it everyone uses dot4 fluid? Isn’t dot 5.1 a better option? I’ve never used either just trying to sort it out

Update: after some research I ordered Motul 100949 – RBF600 DOT4 Racing Brake Fluid

Silverado60 · 08-19-2020, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Level300

I’m with Ss performance. Brakes for sure. On my first track day, my brakes faded. I did a flush and put in dot 4 ate blue fluid before hand. It Scared the belzub out of me. After that, I put in z06 brakes calipers, zl1 rotors and stainless lines.

On my second track day, I didn’t have any issues with braking. Now I can focus on driving without worrying so much. I also view brakes as a safety item so I did them first.

If you didn’t experience brake fade, you eventually will, unless your track doesn’t have long straights. Olblue is right, Rock auto had the lowest price on calipers. They just say “corvette” on them. I did mine earlier this year. Where are you in pa?

I'm in central pa near Raystown lake

gtstorey · 08-19-2020, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Silverado60

Is it worth buying new lca’s to do the fe4 setup? I can get a pretty nice sway bar for my setup

I think so. It changes the leverage ratio to make the sway bar more effective. It's what Justice Pete recommended and at $40 each + $20 each for sway bar links it gives you much more options for sway bars.

08-17-2020, 04:36 PM	#1
Silverado60 Drives: 2010 camaro 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Pa Posts: 238	1st road course upgrade? I have a 2010 Ls3. Mostly stock suspension. Only upgrade is bmr 1.25 drop springs. I’m going to head to the road course for the second time next month. What upgrade will give me the best result. Cradle bushings? Sway bar? Toe rod? Would love to do it all but can’t afford that.... Just put on a new set of nitto. Nt05 Sorry for the double post __________________ Texas speed F-35 cam, rollmaster timing set, melling hp pump, ls2 chain damper, fluid damper 25% under drive, Che rocker bushings, tsp .660 lift valve springs, BBK CAI Amzoil filter with Phastek ww relocation and scoop, Gmpp axle back, Speed engineering 1 7/8" LT's no cats, Peak speed shop ported tb, NGK tr6, MSD wires, Amsoil Zrod wix, heritage grill, 1.25" BMR springs, MRR 228, Nitto Nt05,dyno tuned by complete street performance, elite eng catch can, clean side separator, Hurst shifter, Zl1 addon wickerbill

08-17-2020, 04:47 PM	#2
Rons1le Drives: 2015 Camaro 2SS RS 1LE AGM Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Galion, Oh Posts: 531 View My Garage	Sway bars, trailing arms, lower control bushings, toe rods and strut tower bar. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk __________________ 2015 2SS RS 1LE NPP/w Kooks headers, Procharged, ID1050X injectors, Katech belt tensioner, Mighty Mouse Catch Can, BMR subframe connectors, Matco driveshaft loop, AEM Wideband/Boost/Fuel gauges , Z/28 Splitter and Spoiler/w Wicker bill, Power Stop rotors and brake pads, MRR Z/28 Rep Wheels 20" w/p zeros 285 fronts and 305 rears, ZL1 addons Rock guards and Tow hook, Rear window louvers, Flags on the quarter windows and the moonroof, Billet aluminum door handles.

08-17-2020, 06:03 PM	#3
SS Performance Drives: 02 Camaro B4C Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Cape May County NJ Posts: 750	Brakes __________________ A man's garage is his castle 1969 Camaro SS 1970 Camaro SS 2002 Camaro B4C 2014 Camaro SS Dedicated Track Car 2015 Camaro 1SS 1LE 2008 HHR SS 1996 Silverado Crew Cab Long Bed Dual Rear Wheel

08-17-2020, 07:35 PM	#4
olblue75 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clarksville Tennesse. Posts: 6,064	Kinda of a subjective question where do you feel the car lacks. If you find a 1LE front bar and a DSE 35mm hollow bar or come across a JPSS 32mm solid bar jump on those. Have you swapped your cradle bushings? That will help with acceleration since the cradle won’t wind up on you. Get a set of front Z28 radius arms they have a stiffer insert and will improve steering wheel return and sharpness. Brakes are a good upgrade but can get out of hand real quick cost wise, just check the road course thread an see what pads everyone is running, I run a hodgepodge of braking in mine CTS-V calipers with Z06 pistons, CTS-V rotors with Stainless lines and a stock rear setup they work very well on stock pads. Tires and wheels are huge as well because if you reduce rotating mass you can improve acceleration and stickier/softer tread compound like a GY Supercar G2 in 285 all the way around on a staggerEd 20x10s and 20x11s(1LE setup) the stretching over the 11 inch rim will help with turn in. __________________ Orange Krush II 1LE Front sway bar, Splitter, shocks and struts, Z28 dual mode mufflers, Intake, UCA Bushings, and Toresen 3.91 Diff. 1 piece DSS Drive Shaft, ZL1/C7 Calipers, and 32mm JPSS Rear Bar. ASC race spec splitter and wicker. 6th Gen M017 Wheels. Stainless Works 1 7/8 LTs. DSE and PAFDT Suspension components.

08-18-2020, 11:21 AM	#7
olblue75 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clarksville Tennesse. Posts: 6,064	The CTS-V is a bolt on but again can get out of hand quickly the calipers are the same as ZL1, CTS-V, and C7 Z06/GS (the Vette calipers have vented pistons) you’ll need a back plate different lines and rotors can be spendy as well but Rock Auto as a good deal on Brembo rotors. An yes swap over to the the FE4 LCAs an sway bar maybe start with a 1LE set first an go from there. __________________ Orange Krush II 1LE Front sway bar, Splitter, shocks and struts, Z28 dual mode mufflers, Intake, UCA Bushings, and Toresen 3.91 Diff. 1 piece DSS Drive Shaft, ZL1/C7 Calipers, and 32mm JPSS Rear Bar. ASC race spec splitter and wicker. 6th Gen M017 Wheels. Stainless Works 1 7/8 LTs. DSE and PAFDT Suspension components.

08-18-2020, 08:31 AM	#6
gtstorey Drives: 2010 Camaro SS2,L99, LSA SC Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,155	The 2010 has the older design sway bar/control arm FE3 setup. That's where I would start. At least update to FE4. https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398746

08-18-2020, 01:29 PM	#8
Level300 Drives: 2015 Black rs/ss/1le Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: PA Posts: 271	I’m with Ss performance. Brakes for sure. On my first track day, my brakes faded. I did a flush and put in dot 4 ate blue fluid before hand. It Scared the belzub out of me. After that, I put in z06 brakes calipers, zl1 rotors and stainless lines. On my second track day, I didn’t have any issues with braking. Now I can focus on driving without worrying so much. I also view brakes as a safety item so I did them first. If you didn’t experience brake fade, you eventually will, unless your track doesn’t have long straights. Olblue is right, Rock auto had the lowest price on calipers. They just say “corvette” on them. I did mine earlier this year. Where are you in pa?

08-18-2020, 03:22 PM	#9
flht99b Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS RJT Join Date: May 2009 Location: Knoxville Posts: 1,574 View My Garage	Autocross and especially road course use is especially hard on wheel bearings, valve springs, brakes which were covered already and the CV joints of the rear axles. Definitely go with DOT4 fluid whether you stay with 4 piston front calipers or 6 piston ZL1/CTS/Corvette calipers. I like the Brembo brake pads the come on the ZL1. Separating the clutch fluid from the brake reservoir is also a must, there are kits do that which some are copies of what I did nearly a decade ago. I use ZL1 wheel bearings at all 4 corners. Will be trying Nitto NT05's this fall for the first time, buddy ran them and they had tons of grip. __________________ RJT 2SS/RS, AAM 3.70's, MTI Sway Bars, Shifter & SS brake lines, ZLI calipers, rotors & pads, BMR Trailing & Toe Arms, rear cradle & diff bushes, Pedders XA's, Camber/Toe eccentrics, Radius arm inserts, GTO clutch reservoir, LS9 cam, Comp valve springs, Melling 10296 oil pump, CR5 timing chain, LS6 damper, CAI Cold Air Intake, ARH LT headers w/HF cats, GMPP touring axle back, Elite Engineering Catch Can, Forgeline 20x9.5 & 20x11 DS3 whls, 275/40/20 & 315/35/20 tires, 2011 Convertible spoiler, 1LE front spoiler, Lloyd "SS" Floor Mats, GM Camaro Trunk Mat, wrapped console & Grant steering wheel.

08-18-2020, 03:23 PM	#10
BMR Sales Drives: Race Car Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Seffner, FL Posts: 6,226	I gave you suggestions in your other Thread Cradle Bushings, Trailing Arms & Toe Rods