Looks like GM set to stop computer tuning - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

GONIF · 05-29-2019, 01:27 PM

The 2020 Corvette and Camaro my no longer allow the computer to be retuned .
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...edly-untunable

ChibiBlackSheep · 05-29-2019, 01:40 PM

So GM is going to go down the path that John Deere took?

I hope people start to pull together and fight this on the "Right-to-repair" acts that need to become law.

When you buy something, you should be able to do with it what you want.

BMR Sales · 05-29-2019, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ChibiBlackSheep

So GM is going to go down the path that John Deere took?

I hope people start to pull together and fight this on the "Right-to-repair" acts that need to become law.

When you buy something, you should be able to do with it what you want.

Quite different between fixing a John Deere and breaking in & hacking an ECU

ChibiBlackSheep · 05-29-2019, 03:16 PM

What's the difference?

Hooking up software to the PCM to command various functions to troubleshoot a car will probably be shot down too with this encryption.

It's not always about just "hacking" a car. It's easier for me to have my HPTuners force idle at 2000RPM if I'm troubleshooting something, than bother my wife to sit with her foot on the throttle while I listen around.

Silveradoss573 · 05-29-2019, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChibiBlackSheep

So GM is going to go down the path that John Deere took?

I hope people start to pull together and fight this on the "Right-to-repair" acts that need to become law.

When you buy something, you should be able to do with it what you want.

As John Deere has stated.... You don't own it, You just buy the rights to use it

Mcdizzle · 05-29-2019, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Silveradoss573

As John Deere has stated.... You don't own it, You just buy the rights to use it

sounds like john deeres butthole is upside down

CamaroFred · 05-29-2019, 07:58 PM

A lot of manufacturers encrypt the ECUs. Nissan has been doing it since at least 2004.
Some could be cracked then, others, not at all. No one ever got into the Nissan Sentra SpecV 2.5 I had.

When the 5th gen was released people moaned about having a counter and voiding warranty, but at least you could if you wanted.

GONIF · 05-30-2019, 12:06 PM

IMHO this is BS ,I bought it and can do what I want with it. If it voids the warrantee when I mod it ,I will fix it if it breaks on my own . Modifying a car to my needs and wants is my choice . I paid for it ,and can do as I please with it. Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is what it is all about.

DBHWT · 05-30-2019, 12:37 PM

And the pursuit of more HP !!!

Chevyjk33 · 05-30-2019, 01:02 PM

Ridiculous. Like others have said, if I choose to modify it I should be able to!

Its like GM is trying to make everyone ditch their products between their ugly designs and now stuff like this. I've been a die-hard GM guy my whole life, but they have lost me on any new car or truck they built after 2015-2016.

CamaroDreams76 · 05-30-2019, 02:30 PM

Its been coming for some time. The 6th gen ZL1 took HP tuners a few months to crack. Same with the Z06.... and the ZR1 took over a year to finally crack. The encrypted ECU isn't new but GM is continually making it harder to decode.

I'm with you guys. I bought the car and when I take on the responsibility of modifying it, then what I break is on me.

05-29-2019, 01:27 PM	#1
GONIF Drives: 73 VETTE ,, 05 2500hd diesel,14 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The Left lane PHOENIX AZ Posts: 2,626	Looks like GM set to stop computer tuning The 2020 Corvette and Camaro my no longer allow the computer to be retuned . https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...edly-untunable __________________ OLD GUY FLYING FAST AND LOW

05-29-2019, 01:40 PM	#2
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05-29-2019, 03:16 PM	#4
ChibiBlackSheep Drives: 2012 2SS/RS, 1968 SS Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Southeast, PA Posts: 2,092	What's the difference? Hooking up software to the PCM to command various functions to troubleshoot a car will probably be shot down too with this encryption. It's not always about just "hacking" a car. It's easier for me to have my HPTuners force idle at 2000RPM if I'm troubleshooting something, than bother my wife to sit with her foot on the throttle while I listen around. __________________ LS3 Crate Engine Swap \| CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3 \| Stainless Power LT Headers \| Z28 Intake \| Borla S-Type Exhaust \| FTI Triple-Disc Billet 3200 Stall 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS \| 1968 Camaro SS \| 2020 Cadillac CT5 Premium Luxury \| 2021 Spark LS

05-29-2019, 07:58 PM	#7
CamaroFred Drives: Miss Con Ception Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 2,998	A lot of manufacturers encrypt the ECUs. Nissan has been doing it since at least 2004. Some could be cracked then, others, not at all. No one ever got into the Nissan Sentra SpecV 2.5 I had. When the 5th gen was released people moaned about having a counter and voiding warranty, but at least you could if you wanted. __________________ 2011 1SS/RS LS3 CGM

05-30-2019, 12:06 PM	#8
GONIF Drives: 73 VETTE ,, 05 2500hd diesel,14 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The Left lane PHOENIX AZ Posts: 2,626	IMHO this is BS ,I bought it and can do what I want with it. If it voids the warrantee when I mod it ,I will fix it if it breaks on my own . Modifying a car to my needs and wants is my choice . I paid for it ,and can do as I please with it. Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is what it is all about. __________________ OLD GUY FLYING FAST AND LOW

05-30-2019, 12:37 PM	#9
DBHWT Drives: 2013 SS 1LE Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Cincinnati / N KY area Posts: 559	And the pursuit of more HP !!!

05-30-2019, 01:02 PM	#10
Chevyjk33 Drives: 2015 Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Stow Ohio Posts: 43	Ridiculous. Like others have said, if I choose to modify it I should be able to! Its like GM is trying to make everyone ditch their products between their ugly designs and now stuff like this. I've been a die-hard GM guy my whole life, but they have lost me on any new car or truck they built after 2015-2016.

05-30-2019, 02:30 PM	#11
CamaroDreams76 Tri-County Camaro SWFL Drives: 2013 IOM 2SS/RS/1LE Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: South West FL Posts: 3,078 View My Garage	Its been coming for some time. The 6th gen ZL1 took HP tuners a few months to crack. Same with the Z06.... and the ZR1 took over a year to finally crack. The encrypted ECU isn't new but GM is continually making it harder to decode. I'm with you guys. I bought the car and when I take on the responsibility of modifying it, then what I break is on me. __________________ Just bolt ons........ https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343023