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Old 09-04-2009, 09:45 AM   #15
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Darin, Did you change out the synthetic oil first or not?
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Old 09-04-2009, 09:51 AM   #16
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This was a nice read
with 3000 miles on a car can you still get benifit out of the "hard breakin" if done now? The car seems like it is coming to life but not like I imagined she would.
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Old 09-04-2009, 11:02 AM   #17
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Darin, sorry if I missed it...did you change to dino oil before going through the motions or stick with mobile one?
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Darin, sorry if I missed it...did you change to dino oil before going through the motions or stick with mobile one?
I just said screw it and left the Mobil1 in there. Looking at some Amsoil or Mobil1 Racing Syn for the oil change at 1000miles which should be by Monday. I have had the car for five days. With the new " New Era Performance" CAI and the throttle body I ported and installed the thing will flat rip though the gears now. The increase in low end torque showed up in my ass dyno up quite nice! I have had/installed many cold air intakes but this one is the first I have ever seen that delivered enough of a power gain to be really noticeable. I have American Racing complete exhaust system (headers, high flow CATs and Loudmouth II mufflers) on the way with a 160F thermo and HP tuners software. I plan on having a nice 480hp unit for now until I can getthe heads and manifold done.


The valve train is another matter. I will have to design some Titanium valves and re-design other components to work around this piece of shit VVT and AFM.
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Old 09-04-2009, 09:43 PM   #19
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Whats this do to and for mpg
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Old 09-05-2009, 01:40 AM   #20
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darin im buying my camaro out of state and have to drive it home, about 500 miles. is this going to screw up the engine? is there anything i can do to break it in better on the way home? should I drive a while and stay the night and start again? I'm kinda freaked out. i want the max performance and max life out of the engine. oh by the way it is the 6 cyl.
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Old 09-05-2009, 10:33 AM   #21
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nice to see someone who can see the engine for what it is,in that i mean how its put together,rings pistons,bearings and what not.i am in total agreement with you,egineers dont write the manual,lawyers do.Its refreshing to see someone look at this great car and not just see the car but see the moving parts inside the car and how they all work together,sometimes i sit here and read some of the off the wall things on these forums and say to myself oh boy,then there are posts i read like yours that give me faith that things will be ok...thanks
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I'd love to see the dyno sheet.
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Old 09-05-2009, 11:50 AM   #23
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550mile now and after a computer reset the TMC (Torque Management Control) seems far less aggressive on the 1-2 2-3 shifts. Still wont bark the second gear shift like it should but with my HP tuners VCM suite software on the way I will be able to tune all this factory crap out of it and make it into a respectable street car. The guys at New Era Performance have been a great help. I should receive the New Era CAI as well as the tuner software wide band O2 in about a week. Then I really get to play!
Darin, I'm a noob here so forgive my ignorance.....

is this "computer reset" something that can be done easily by a noob like me, or is this complicated, like remapping fuel injection etc. ?

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Old 09-05-2009, 07:12 PM   #24
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Based upon what I read above I'm going to do the following when I get my car. I used 80 mph because I'm afraid to get a ticket while doing this.

When would be a good time to change oil and filter? Also I would be doing this with an automatic.

Car should be fully warmed (~10 minutes) at idle before starting after cool down.

1) 0-50 miles : Dead Stop/Full Throttle / Shift to Neutral at 80 mph.
2) Let it cool down for 4 hours
3) 50-80 miles: Dead stop/Full Throttle/Shift to neutral at 80 mph
4) Let it cool down over night
5) 80 – 130 miles: Dead stop/Full throttle/shift to neutral at 80 mph
6) Let it cool down overnight
7) 130-180 miles: Dead stop/Full throttle/shift to neutral at 80 mph
8) Try to repeat until 500 miles.
9) Change oil/ oil filter.
10) Reset ECU with OBD II reader.

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Old 09-06-2009, 06:01 PM   #25
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This is the way i plan on doing my break in, heard from to many Master Engine Builders that this is the way to do it and it makes complete sense.

The thing i wana know (Darin) is how many time do you change the oil and oil filter between 0-500-1000 miles???
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Additionally when shifting to neutral after full throttle how far do you let the speed drop until you shift to D?
How dangerous is this for the transmission to shift into D after coasting in Neutral?
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Old 09-06-2009, 07:54 PM   #27
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Whats this do to and for mpg
I am not going to tell you something I cant prove. I dont know.

IMHO I would expect it to be just as good if not better than any other method of break in would deliver.

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I'd love to see the dyno sheet.
Thats a really good idea. Now I need to find one here around town before I change the oil and install the complete American Racing Headers and exhaust system.

I will do my best to get the thing pulled.

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Darin, I'm a noob here so forgive my ignorance.....

is this "computer reset" something that can be done easily by a noob like me, or is this complicated, like remapping fuel injection etc. ?

Thanks,
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not complicated at all! Just read up on it in this thread and follow the directions. Some guys leave them unplugged for long durations (hours) to make sure the PCM channels that the fuses deliver power to are cleared.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38964

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darin im buying my camaro out of state and have to drive it home, about 500 miles. is this going to screw up the engine? is there anything i can do to break it in better on the way home? should I drive a while and stay the night and start again? I'm kinda freaked out. i want the max performance and max life out of the engine. oh by the way it is the 6 cyl.
Just drive it with the throttle not the cruise control, slow down and pass as much as possible. Hell, you have to have some fun while your driving home don't you! Dont leave it to lug and drone away down the highway on cruise control for hours on end. Vary the throttle position and take some exits and on ramps. lots of them. I always slow down at the bottom of the on ramp and nail it so I can get a good hard load all the way up to 80mph. With my V8 I wait at the bottom of the on ramp and when a car passes me I nail it just to see how fast I can catch him. Its just for fun and it helped break in the engine.

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Based upon what I read above I'm going to do the following when I get my car. I used 80 mph because I'm afraid to get a ticket while doing this.

When would be a good time to change oil and filter? Also I would be doing this with an automatic.

Car should be fully warmed (~10 minutes) at idle before starting after cool down.

1) 0-50 miles : Dead Stop/Full Throttle / Shift to Neutral at 80 mph.
2) Let it cool down for 4 hours
3) 50-80 miles: Dead stop/Full Throttle/Shift to neutral at 80 mph
4) Let it cool down over night
5) 80 – 130 miles: Dead stop/Full throttle/shift to neutral at 80 mph
6) Let it cool down overnight
7) 130-180 miles: Dead stop/Full throttle/shift to neutral at 80 mph
8) Try to repeat until 500 miles.
9) Change oil/ oil filter.
10) Reset ECU with OBD II reader.
I guess you could use the "exact" break in recipe but that's not exactly what I was trying to do.

I am using Amsoil 0-30 Synthetic and oil filter after the break in. I am waiting till 1200mile or so. That will be about this coming Monday! Seven days and 1200miles. yea, you can say I am driving the hell outof it.

By the way, it just keeps performing a little better all the time. In SPORT shift mode it will flat ass get with it. It really feels good. Cant wait for the headers and loudmouth IIs to get here.

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This is the way i plan on doing my break in, heard from to many Master Engine Builders that this is the way to do it and it makes complete sense.

The thing i wana know (Darin) is how many time do you change the oil and oil filter between 0-500-1000 miles???
Since it was Mobil 1 from the factory and does not break down like a standard non detergent break in oil, I left it it for a full 1000miles +. I will change at about 1200mile. If it was a break in oil I would have changed it three times by now.

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Additionally when shifting to neutral after full throttle how far do you let the speed drop until you shift to D?
How dangerous is this for the transmission to shift into D after coasting in Neutral?
No danger at all. Doesn't hurt a thing. I wait until the car has dropped to below the speed limit in the area I am at before I shift back into drive.

All day long I have been taking everyone in my family for "OH SHIT" rides. I love my wife screaming and giggling in the passenger seat as I call out the speeds,
40-50-60-70-80-90-100mph then let out of it. Very few people have been in a true 13.30 second street car. This car is flat ass fun! In "SPORT" mode the car will turn the tires through first for about ten feet then hooks in second and just motivates. I will get a video as soon as possible!

I cant wait for the tuner to get here so I can make the trans shift like it should. Torque management from the factory sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-07-2009, 03:02 AM   #28
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So the SS's come from the factory with Mobil1 oil??? I didnt know that.
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