Well I'll Never Buy a New Car Again If This Happens!

[Retro69]

http://jalopnik.com/carmakers-want-t...eca-1699132210

[Evergreen6]

The CEO at Ford made a statement recently that they'd rather not have a user-accessible engine bay on their vehicles, that all servicing and maintenance should be done only by authorized repair centers.

Bah.

Hello and welcome to the United Oligarchy of America where mechanical curiosity and self-reliance are feared.

[SSJ455]

I don't think this is all that new. I heard something about this last year. I doubt anything like this would go through. The aftermarket is nearly as big as the auto makers themselves. Also do you think all the auto mechanic shops could deal with the influx of all these people bringing in their cars?

[flamandj]

That is bull!!!! and craziness

I hope this does not happen!!!

[Beardface]

Good luck with that

Mobile providers already tried that with the SmartPhone market, trying to get the courts to say that rooting an Android device or jailbreaking an Apple device would be illegal. The courts weren't having any of it.

A precedence has already been set, so this is an uphill battle all the way for the auto makers if they go down this path That being said, if what happened in the smartphone industry is any indication of what's coming ahead, the automakers will make it damn near impossible for people to legally hack into and modify the ECU, essentially eliminating the possibility of modding your cars going forward.

[Scalded Dog]

It's not likely to happen for a long, long, time. Americans love cars, and one reason is because we can FIX our cars, mod our cars, tinker, maintain, and alter our cars. To take THAT away would be a radical change to our culture, not one that will happen without a fight.

They can have my automotive tinkering when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

[gajagfan]

Originally Posted by Beardface

Good luck with that

Mobile providers already tried that with the SmartPhone market, trying to get the courts to say that rooting an Android device or jailbreaking an Apple device would be illegal. The courts weren't having any of it.

A precedence has already been set, so this is an uphill battle all the way for the auto makers if they go down this path That being said, if what happened in the smartphone industry is any indication of what's coming ahead, the automakers will make it damn near impossible for people to legally hack into and modify the ECU, essentially eliminating the possibility of modding your cars going forward.

Until aftermarket ECU's are manufactured and sold.

[Retro69]

Originally Posted by Scalded Dog

They can have my automotive tinkering when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

Amen brother!

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[LOBBS]

Originally Posted by Beardface

Good luck with that

Mobile providers already tried that with the SmartPhone market, trying to get the courts to say that rooting an Android device or jailbreaking an Apple device would be illegal. The courts weren't having any of it.

A precedence has already been set, so this is an uphill battle all the way for the auto makers if they go down this path That being said, if what happened in the smartphone industry is any indication of what's coming ahead, the automakers will make it damn near impossible for people to legally hack into and modify the ECU, essentially eliminating the possibility of modding your cars going forward.

Being an Android enthusiast and developer myself there are few devices where an exploit isn't eventually found so that root access can be granted. I'll propose the same argument here for autos as I have for those devices. Once we have made the choice to root our respective system, we've consciously made the choice to forgo our applicable warranties. The OEMs should respect that decision because it is ultimately our property and they are no longer on the hook for the consequences of said decision.

[Cam_Cam]

The very first comment (second post) here took this thread from a sensible conversation to a tin foil hat conspiracy in about 5 seconds.

This is most likely laying the framework for eventual laws that will be necessary for autonomous cars. Cars are, for better or for worse, controlled more and more by CPU's every day. Sorry if I don't want some random gear head reprogramming the incredibly complex computer systems that run a car. There are safety issues involved.

This proposal wouldn't prohibit you from working on your car, it would be designed to prevent you from tinkering with incredibly complex computer systems that most of us don't understand.

I don't think it will pass either, but lets not blow it up into something it isn't. They aren't going to make your engine bay inaccessible. You're not going to need an iris scanner and 3 forms of ID to change your own oil.

[ToolFan66]

Now... the end could be near... I want no part of it, i paid for the car.. Nuff Said...

[Cam_Cam]

And stop comparing jailbreaking your stupid iPhone to "jailbreaking" an automobile. If you jailbreak an iPhone, the worst you can do is ruin YOUR phone. If you jailbreak a car and **** up the code, you're now driving a 3,000 lb death missile that could easily kill other people because you thought you were a computer programmer.

[rimhof]

Originally Posted by gajagfan

Until aftermarket ECU's are manufactured and sold.

Exactly. If the aftermarket can't modify the factory ECU then they will just replace them with their own. Back in high school I had an old Saturn that we did this with because the one in the car was fried. Just got another from a junker. Really not that big of a change.

[Evergreen6]

Originally Posted by Cam_Cam

The very first comment (second post) here took this thread from a sensible conversation to a tin foil hat conspiracy in about 5 seconds.

This is most likely laying the framework for eventual laws that will be necessary for autonomous cars. Cars are, for better or for worse, controlled more and more by CPU's every day. Sorry if I don't want some random gear head reprogramming the incredibly complex computer systems that run a car. There are safety issues involved.

This proposal wouldn't prohibit you from working on your car, it would be designed to prevent you from tinkering with incredibly complex computer systems that most of us don't understand.

I don't think it will pass either, but lets not blow it up into something it isn't. They aren't going to make your engine bay inaccessible. You're not going to need an iris scanner and 3 forms of ID to change your own oil.

1. I'm a real person, you can address me, and no, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Large automakers are lobbying to make this happen. That is real.

2. If you don't want someone else programming your ECU or other systems, then don't have it done. Period.

3. Not that complex, if you work in the industry. But it means trading self-reliance and cheaper maintenance costs in terms of simple maintenance if the dealer and/or only authorized service centers are able to service the vehicle.

Autonomous vehicles are a problem in themself. On another forum, there was a great thread discussing this and the gist is how "because a computer can do it better" is not reason alone for replacing a human behind the wheel. To some of us, driving is still an art, and we don't welcome the idea of self-driving vehicles or being further disconnected from the road than we already are.