[islander033]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Good job bro, wrong thread. We're not talkin Hellcats here.

You don't need to suck blaq off, he's made some claims about posting all his times and I'm trying to get him to follow through.

PS. For a faster car the SS wasn't in that H2H test...wow!

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by islander033

You don't need to suck blaq off, he's made some claims about posting all his times and I'm trying to get him to follow through.

PS. For a faster car the SS wasn't in that H2H test...wow!

Grow up dude.

[islander033]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Grow up dude.

Why?

And why did the SS trap lower than the GT? M6 should trap higher with a faster car vs a slower auto car....right?

[hotlap]

Anal bleeding.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Pretty funny. BlaqWhole called mid 12s and the first out was worse. M6G shit storm, butthurt, ... Troll on.

.6 is considered mid when talking E.T. thought you should know.

[Fox9350]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

LMAO!!!!!

1.) There are two reasons why the Camaro wound up discontinued.

1a) Being diluted between Pontiac as the Firebird/Trans-Am and Chevy as the Camaro. This was a vehicle that routinely sold between 85-105k cars a year if you added them both up.

1b) The Mustang is Ford's Halo car. Has been pretty much every year for the last 50 years. GM for a long time refused to improve the Camaro to the level that the Corvette was at. Now, that is no longer an issue. And Ford is no longer being given an easy win.


2.) There was never a lack of interest. There is a reason why the 5th Gen outsold the Mustang for several years in a row, because of the interest owners had in the car. I specifically bought a 5th gen instead of a Mustang or a GTO or a CTS-V because I wanted the Camaro. The problem goes back to the fact that GM was trying to shutter unproductive brands....which goes to seeing Olds, Pontiac, Saturn, and Hummer go bye bye. Not to mention, the plans for a retro Camaro were already in the works when the Camaro was discontinued in 2002.

Plus, GM made the mistake of badging the Monaro as a GTO. Had they badged that as a Camaro, I still say it would have sold better...


3.) Yes, the Mustang helped create the Camaro, there is absolutely no denying that. However, I'd argue that the Chevy II helped to create the Mustang. The popularity of that small car with bigger power helped create a desire for cars similar to it. In addition, the Plymouth Barracuda actually predated the Mustang as well.

All reasonable points. Just worth mentioning to those around here who seem to have been born when the Camaro 6 launched. The Camaro 5 was a sales success for most of it's years, but performance was a little flat and behind compared to the (5.0) Mustang that generation. Trust me I'm well aware of how behind the Mustang fell in the mid 90s to early 2000s before the Camaro left the scene for awhile.

[Fox9350]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

was a non PP car... so shitty suspension,tires and brakes. Not really sure why they would use that in their H2H.

Because it's edmunds. These fanboys don't seem to understand there are a TON of variables. Drivers can't launch cars properly, poor track conditions, often these magazines idiotically option out a car to the max for their artitcles that negatively affect performance testing (huge showy wheels, navigation, heated seats, safety packages, etc etc),,,, The enthusiasts who have the best packages for performance and have more than a few shots at the 1/4 at a single track on a single day will post the best times. The fast list will be where we look. Again I've seen 3 enthusiasts in the last 3 weeks post a 12.0x and 11.8x @119 MPH with a new GT in the hands of almost no one in the public yet. Bodes well. I expect to see this thing well into that territory. 0-60 in 4.6 seconds? LMFAO. Does anyone believe that? Ford wouldn't claim sub 4 second 0-60 if it was that far off. Some moron who couldn't drive was testing these cars. In fact I saw a fellow on youtube who bought a brand new 2018 GT, posted a video at night showing it in his driveway with all the wrappings still on it. A few days later posted a video on his lunch break testing the 0-60 with the built in app timer on the car. Did 1 run on some highway exit from stop and got 4.2 seconds. LOL. The car is much more capable than edmunds tests show.

You guys seem to think if some shmo drives his car to a 13.5 thats what it means the car is capable of. There are people driving GT500s or Z06s in the 14s because they can't drive, means nothing.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by islander033

Why?

And why did the SS trap lower than the GT? M6 should trap higher with a faster car vs a slower auto car....right?

Honestly, I know there are variables like wheel spin that while producing a slower time will increase trap speed but I am no expert in drag racing so should keep my mouth shut on that hahaha.

I think what we will see is the Camaro consistently being a little bit faster, but the Mustang consistently having equal or better trap.

[jmackisback]

A10 GT 12.6....LOL! And to the guy making childish remarks about "sucking off" ... The traps were basically within 1 mph of each other, so you must agree the GT trap was poor too.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

.6 is considered mid when talking E.T. thought you should know.

On the wrong side of mid. Regardless, I'm just tweaking because you all were trolling so hard for a conflict.

The GT will be fast. Time will tell where they will fall but it does appear the SS has the edge.

That's any SS by the way. Starting a $37k with oil, transmission and differential cools, Brembo brakes and the would class Alpha chassis.

[Fraxum]

I love this test and the sloppy track editing. It's so real world. They might not have gotten enough SS track video to cover the Camaro discussion and spliced in some ZL1. They probably thought the Camaro drivers will be too drunk to notice. It is the rep we have. I try not to live it but sometimes I slip up.

I have spent a bit of time in the S197s and much more in the S550s. Most recently in a 2017 GT auto vert renter. I want one of each. If I could only have one car it would be the Mustang for sure. Even the 2017 is a ton of fun to drive and to me better looking. But for spirited driving as a second car the SS is a more fun choice. It is a more livable Corvette that has a trunk and almost a back seat. I always wanted a Vette but no more.

Give me the Mustang interior, exterior, and sound with the SS chassis, cooling, durability, handling, and brakes. Either engine will do. And the M6 of course. Autos are less fun. The perfect Pony car.

As to 1/4 times the jury is still out. We all have to admit it is close. But keep up the good fight! It can never end. I am a Mustang/Camaro fan boy so I can't lose. The Dodge is pretty but way too big. Make my Dodge a Charger Hellcat for long trips.

As for me I am glad my bolton SS M6 will keep up with all of the stock CA6 SS and S550/2 automatics. Full weight on 20" tires.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Fox9350

Because it's edmunds. These fanboys don't seem to understand there are a TON of variables. Drivers can't launch cars properly, poor track conditions, often these magazines idiotically option out a car to the max for their artitcles that negatively affect performance testing (huge showy wheels, navigation, heated seats, safety packages, etc etc),,,, The enthusiasts who have the best packages for performance and have more than a few shots at the 1/4 at a single track on a single day will post the best times. The fast list will be where we look. Again I've seen 3 enthusiasts in the last 3 weeks post a 12.0x and 11.8x @119 MPH with a new GT in the hands of almost no one in the public yet. Bodes well. I expect to see this thing well into that territory. 0-60 in 4.6 seconds? LMFAO. Does anyone believe that? Ford wouldn't claim sub 4 second 0-60 if it was that far off. Some moron who couldn't drive was testing these cars. In fact I saw a fellow on youtube who bought a brand new 2018 GT, posted a video at night showing it in his driveway with all the wrappings still on it. A few days later posted a video on his lunch break testing the 0-60 with the built in app timer on the car. Did 1 run on some highway exit from stop and got 4.2 seconds. LOL. The car is much more capable than edmunds tests show.

You guys seem to think if some shmo drives his car to a 13.5 thats what it means the car is capable of. There are people driving GT500s or Z06s in the 14s because they can't drive, means nothing.

The A10 should be easier to launch. That manual SS is comparable to any SS manual. There are no packages other than the track focused 1LE.

[2Bowties]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I bet M6G is in full meltdown mode. "But, but, Evans", "but, but, 11.8", "but, but E85, tune, and tire", "but, but A10 trans". LOL! Too bad to all the dreamers out there, lol!! Too bad...

Dude calm down, the mustang had shitty pirellis and the camaro had f’1’s. Its only one review, dont get all “i told you so’ on us lol! Relax

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by islander033

Typically m6 out traps automagic.

Maybe the a10 is that good?

The A10 is a very good transmission. It's already drawn a ton of raves regarding it's performance.

I'd say the biggest factor is just the better launch off the line for the A10 vs. the M6...