[Firehead640]

I came from a 2015 Challenger SRT, modded it a little bit and was putting just short of 600 at the crank. Honestly, I can't feel much of a difference in acceleration, and I think that is(as said above) that the A10 really masks the speed. My Challenger was rather unruly even in Street Mode, this ZL1 didn't feel so.

My point is that you aren't buying the car for balls to the wall straight line speed, you're buying it for the agility. I've done the same stuff in my ZL1 that I wouldn't do in my Challenger without loss of traction. The ZL1 sticks.

Originally Posted by Waterman

The Hellcat has 100 more HP, but weighs over 800 lbs. more.

Not quite, but not terribly far off depending on how equipped. Enough HP to make it ever so slightly faster than the ZL1, but heavy enough to make it not nearly as agile. Give the Hellcat an A10 and my god...

[hashtag]

When I first drove it I was not impressed as well. When they start breaking in holy shit. Unfortunately most dealers do put in 87 octane. When it learns your driving habits it’s a whole different car. If the car has under 50 miles on the odometer it’s bleeding boost Just a FYI

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Originally Posted by Brooklync7

Btw my cousin just picked up a 2018 m5 last week and wow just wow. You’ll love it.

The M5 it’s one of the fastest street cars. You’re talking about $120,000 car though. On a track the ZL1 would take out the M5. Tax alone on that damn

[hashtag]

Originally Posted by Firehead640

I came from a 2015 Challenger SRT, modded it a little bit and was putting just short of 600 at the crank. Honestly, I can't feel much of a difference in acceleration, and I think that is(as said above) that the A10 really masks the speed. My Challenger was rather unruly even in Street Mode, this ZL1 didn't feel so.

My point is that you aren't buying the car for balls to the wall straight line speed, you're buying it for the agility. I've done the same stuff in my ZL1 that I wouldn't do in my Challenger without loss of traction. The ZL1 sticks.



Not quite, but not terribly far off depending on how equipped. Enough HP to make it ever so slightly faster than the ZL1, but heavy enough to make it not nearly as agile. Give the Hellcat an A10 and my god...

The auto group I work for owns a Dode store. I go over there sometimes. All I have to say about SRT is that it comes with a lot electronic goodies which seems like that’s where Dodge spent their money. Ok engine. It is a sloppy suspension and steering!!! ZL1 is putting out just as much torque as the hellcat. Hell Cat is a GT car is all. I was not impressed with the transmission in the hellcat.

[Firehead640]

Originally Posted by hashtag

The auto group I work for owns a Dode store. I go over there sometimes. All I have to say about SRT is that it comes with a lot electronic goodies which seems like that’s where Dodge spent their money. Ok engine. It is a sloppy suspension and steering!!! ZL1 is putting out just as much torque as the hellcat. Hell Cat is a GT car is all. I was not impressed with the transmission in the hellcat.

While I didn't have a problem with the steering, I can agree the suspension left something to be desired. You need to spend another 2 grand in just suspension parts to make it worth anything outside of the straight.

At the time of purchase for me, it was the only A8 on the market. After driving the A10, yes I feel that the 8HP70(a Mercedes transmission IIRC) is garbage by comparison.

No more electronic goodies than the ZL1, to be honest. I'd venture the say the ZL1 actually has a lot more in electronics.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Brooklync7

So I’ll start off by saying I’m a hardcore gm fanboy. At least I thought I was.

My previous cars have been a 99 c5 corvette coupe, 2006 c6 corvette coupe, 2014 corvette stingray, and a 2011 gen 2 cts-v coupe. I really loved them all. My last gm car was my 2014 stingray.

My wife and I had our first child so it was time for a 4 seater. I went with my current car a 2016 Charger Hellcat which I absolutely love. Being as my son very rarely spends any time in my car I was thinking that a zl1 Camaro would do the trick. I came ready to leave the dealership with the zl1. Title and all keys in hand.

Took it for 2 test drives drove it hard and easy and I just wasn’t impressed which is very surprising given all the incredible reviews and fanfare around this car. I was expecting a z06 kind of drive, given they have the same power plant and it honestly felt nothing like the c7 z06. It honestly felt slow, and to tame. I know that’s a crazy thing to say but that’s just how I felt when driving it. It wasn’t the mean car I was expecting. The handling on the other hand was unreal! Seriously an incredible handling car.

I am really lost as to why the car felt so underwhelming. Could it be that the 6 speed manual is just outdated at this point and I’m just used to a superior auto like the zf8 in my hellcat? I honestly never though I would consider a zl1 in an auto but gears in the m6 were so longgggg and I’m getting the feeling that the car would feel more powerful in an auto.

Visibility is my biggest gripe with the car. I’ve had a lot of cars in my life but have never driven a car with worse visibility. I’m sure I could get used to it but damn.

If this is anything like the corvette forum I’m sure I’ll get beat up here, but please don’t think I’m trolling because I’m not. I’m wondering if I test drove a bad seed, or if I should give the auto a try, or if I’m not alone in my thoughts.

Most likely most of you hate the Hellcat but I drove home in that car appreciating it more than I have in a while, alll the while thinking damn if only it handled a little more like the Zl1 lol.

Couple of things:

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Been here done this -
Same exact results from ZL1 test drive.

Zl1 Test Drive...Mixed results 04-27-2017
https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=492872

Same exact results:

Originally Posted by camaro5

When the chassis puts the power down properly, it doesn't "feel"as fast.

This car made you feel like the world was exploding at wot.
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Reality:

According to contemporary sources, a 450hp LS6-equipped SS 454 could run 0-60 mph in 6.1 seconds and cover the quarter mile in 13.44 at 108 mph.

6th gen SS: 0-60 4.1 seconds, and almost feels calm and controlled at wot.

Need to throw a puffer on to get the "holy sh*t" feeling. ZL1 3.5 sec 0-60

Challenger chassis is a crusty relic of Mercedes descent. Can't handle hc power, does not handle (bloated) - but "feels" fast.

Weight difference -- Z06 3500lbs to ZL1 3900lbs. Camaro gets 400lbs anchor.

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[cleoent]

I drove a 6spd SS for the exact same reasons. "I'll never own an automatic sports car." I was disappointed by the manual. The gears were too damn long, it wasn't any fun.

Just for S&Gs i drove the 8spd, 10 ft out from the dealership i was sold. Maybe it will be the same for you. Who knows.

[collinms]

I think you are confusing tame with stability. All you need to do is simply turn off the nannies and get a little wheel spin and the car will feel more aggressive. The chassis and rear end traction is excellent which reduces the dramatic feeling. Simply turn off the traction control and you get the raw feeling if you want.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by collinms

I think you are confusing tame with stability. All you need to do is simply turn off the nannies and get a little wheel spin and the car will feel more aggressive. The chassis and rear end traction is excellent which reduces the dramatic feeling. Simply turn off the traction control and you get the raw feeling if you want.

I'm not, the OP is.

He should turn off TC.

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[collinms]

Originally Posted by camaro5

I'm not, the OP is.

He should turn off TC.

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Yea my bad I didn't mean to quote you. I will fix.

[hashtag]

Originally Posted by Firehead640

While I didn't have a problem with the steering, I can agree the suspension left something to be desired. You need to spend another 2 grand in just suspension parts to make it worth anything outside of the straight.

At the time of purchase for me, it was the only A8 on the market. After driving the A10, yes I feel that the 8HP70(a Mercedes transmission IIRC) is garbage by comparison.

No more electronic goodies than the ZL1, to be honest. I'd venture the say the ZL1 actually has a lot more in electronics.

Challenger in hellcat offer Lane keep, laser cruise, Pre-collision, phenomenal 19 speaker alpine Sound-system, some really cool performance gauges & apps. NAPA leather with Alcantara inserts. That’s where dodge spent their money

The Bilstein adaptive suspension is from the viper program & I anticipated better

[big dave]

Having driven the Hellcat Charger, I can say the feel is totally different. It comes down to a matter of preference. The Hellcat is very raw and violent by nature, very much old school. In contrast, the ZL1 feels quite a bit more tame. It's a well sorted out beast that does well in masking its true evil intent. . It's potential is very deceiving. Much like the 5th gen ZL1, the feel of acceleration doesn't match the timeslips.

[Brooklync7]

Originally Posted by hashtag

When I first drove it I was not impressed as well. When they start breaking in holy shit. Unfortunately most dealers do put in 87 octane. When it learns your driving habits it’s a whole different car. If the car has under 50 miles on the odometer it’s bleeding boost Just a FYI

This was a used car with 5600 miles on it. 87 octane isn’t something I thought about which is a good point.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by Brooklync7

Btw my cousin just picked up a 2018 m5 last week and wow just wow. You’ll love it.

Eagerly awaiting for that thing.