[LesBaer]

I think you should contact a lawyer. Look on the corvette forum if you don't know where to start. There were guys that that really took it to GM when their C7's with automatic transmissions failed and they got replacements. I think they only got manuals and no refund for the auto option. When they start having to worry about paying legal fees, which will likely exceed the net cost of replacing your car (which will end up being re-sold at auction if it's taken back), you will get some action. No one is going to take you seriously until you hire a lawyer unfortunately. Yes, managers will get annoyed with dealing with this issue, but that's what their bosses are paying them for - to deal with the headaches. Time to make it their boss' headache if you can swing it.

[Intimidator]

I can help in 2 ways!
My job for the last 25 years has been in Automotive Paint....my Grandfather was one of the best SHOW CAR Painters in the State, and had guys bringing him cars from across the Country while he was alive and Painting!

I also had my 05 GTO Fully repainted at GM's expense!

A good paint shop and painter can put on a much better paint job, than a factory can....why do you think Some of the Top $$ car makers paint by hand?
Most New "Single Owner" Paint shops have treated air, downdraft, high temp ovens, and all the new technology!
Automotive Paint shops now, like GM, have robot operators with LIMITED paint knowledge.
Very few people can tell differences in Mottle, Dry Paint, Strike In, and Thin Base, or fine thinner pop, small dirt, or fine splatter! Most highly trained painters easily know the difference!
My Silver GTO had the same issues as your car...I knew what I was talking about with them and made the GM Reps look foolish...GM authorized me to take my car to anyone that I picked...I chose a nearby shop that specializes in show cars...THE PAINT JOB ON MY GTO IS "SHOW WINNING" STILL TO THIS DAY! That is one reason why I kept this car.

[LesBaer]

Originally Posted by Intimidator

I can help in 2 ways!
My job for the last 25 years has been in Automotive Paint....my Grandfather was one of the best SHOW CAR Painters in the State, and had guys bringing him cars from across the Country while he was alive and Painting!

I also had my 05 GTO Fully repainted at GM's expense!

A good paint shop and painter can put on a much better paint job, than a factory can....why do you think Some of the Top $$ car makers paint by hand?
Most New "Single Owner" Paint shops have treated air, downdraft, high temp ovens, and all the new technology!
Automotive Paint shops now, like GM, have robot operators with LIMITED paint knowledge.
Very few people can tell differences in Mottle, Dry Paint, Strike In, and Thin Base, or fine thinner pop, small dirt, or fine splatter! Most highly trained painters easily know the difference!
My Silver GTO had the same issues as your car...I knew what I was talking about with them and made the GM Reps look foolish...GM authorized me to take my car to anyone that I picked...I chose a nearby shop that specializes in show cars...THE PAINT JOB ON MY GTO IS "SHOW WINNING" STILL TO THIS DAY! That is one reason why I kept this car.

I think you should make a sticky for everyone to have this info in case this happens to them.

[Xxcapo]

I had a brand new Mustang bumper resprayed before due to bird crap stains.

No different for me than replacing a mechanical part, the warranty covers paint... it was fixed under warranty, as long as its done right, its fine IMO.

[joehouse]

https://www.tn.gov/commerce/article/consumer-lemon-law I've been following your story from the beginning, I have to say, there is something fishy, First off all this body work will most likely take over 30 days, which in your state impairs the vehicle for an extended period of time, secondly I would hire a lemon lawyer for this case. You are entitled to a new vehicle. Thirdly, always and I mean always do a crazy check on the car before you sign the papers. I did for my dads challenger. I checked ecerywhere under the car, under the hood, interior, trunk, wheelwells, and found no problems, my friends however just signed the paper and ran away and ran into multiple issues. YOU MUST ALWAYS INSPECT THE CAR EVEN IN THE MECHANIC AFTER ITS BEEN SERVICED.

[jlcustomz]

As someone who has done a certain amount of paint & detailing, pretty much any new car can benefit from a good detailing job. But color sanding can reveal unseen ripples in even high end cars which may not have enough factory paint to correct without thin spots.
I'd accept a restoration quality paintjob in a heartbeat. Materials such as spi epoxy are amazingly tough& give a better surface for paint to stick to. Super high solids clears such as spi universal clear can have a higher gloss level, as well as more chip resistance than oem materials sprayed by WALL-E.

[Netslave]

Originally Posted by joehouse

https://www.tn.gov/commerce/article/consumer-lemon-law I've been following your story from the beginning, I have to say, there is something fishy, First off all this body work will most likely take over 30 days, which in your state impairs the vehicle for an extended period of time, secondly I would hire a lemon lawyer for this case. You are entitled to a new vehicle. Thirdly, always and I mean always do a crazy check on the car before you sign the papers. I did for my dads challenger. I checked ecerywhere under the car, under the hood, interior, trunk, wheelwells, and found no problems, my friends however just signed the paper and ran away and ran into multiple issues. YOU MUST ALWAYS INSPECT THE CAR EVEN IN THE MECHANIC AFTER ITS BEEN SERVICED.

I've gone over this ad nauseam so obviously you haven't been following that closely. See post #8

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showth...=1#post8943923

[Hypertrophy]

Originally Posted by 586mx

One thing to remember is this: All assembly plants completely submerge the whole body in a dip tank with hood, trunk, and doors installed. This is where your protection comes from. Repainting the color coat wouldn't effect the sheet metal protection. Doors are taken off after paint and assembled on another line. They get sequenced back to same body down line. I worked at an assembly plant.

Yeah, after watching How Its Made it difficult to understand how one car could come out with a significantly different paint job... Did the robot just run out of paint? I would assume there are systems in place to prevent that.

Any insight 586mx from your time in an assembly plant?

[Intimidator]

Originally Posted by Hypertrophy

Yeah, after watching How Its Made it difficult to understand how one car could come out with a significantly different paint job... Did the robot just run out of paint? I would assume there are systems in place to prevent that.

Any insight 586mx from your time in an assembly plant?

There are so many things that can go wrong in a OEM paint shop...you can blow a pot, the robot can fault out, power surge, gun issue, etc...take a pick!
When something like that happens...according to the facility, the product will be dipped to start fresh, or the vehicle will be sanded down, blown, tacked, and wiped, then repainted!
I have seen processes break down and stuff gets out that will make your skin crawl...then you wonder how it happened?????
Normally issues like that happen at the end of a shift...an inspector will miss it, send it to the wrong area, etc., then when the other shift comes in, they send it on, and it snowballs...sad to say, but I've seen it ALOT!
Quality Processes are in place, but anytime you rely on people, you can have breakdowns.

[MBS]

Originally Posted by Intimidator

There are so many things that can go wrong in a OEM paint shop...you can blow a pot, the robot can fault out, power surge, gun issue, etc...take a pick!
When something like that happens...according to the facility, the product will be dipped to start fresh, or the vehicle will be sanded down, blown, tacked, and wiped, then repainted!
I have seen processes break down and stuff gets out that will make your skin crawl...then you wonder how it happened?????
Normally issues like that happen at the end of a shift...an inspector will miss it, send it to the wrong area, etc., then when the other shift comes in, they send it on, and it snowballs...sad to say, but I've seen it ALOT!
Quality Processes are in place, but anytime you rely on people, you can have breakdowns.

Hmmm Being born and raised in Detroit this has me wondering if the guys up in Canada have a smirk on there faces .

[joes407]

No way! Ive had 2 camaros w bad paint areas since 2010 and both were "fixed" half ass. On top of it there was clearcoat overspray inside the car on gauges etc. The car smelled lik a body shop forever on and the paint was still not acceptable to me

[Intimidator]

Originally Posted by joes407

No way! Ive had 2 camaros w bad paint areas since 2010 and both were "fixed" half ass. On top of it there was clearcoat overspray inside the car on gauges etc. The car smelled lik a body shop forever on and the paint was still not acceptable to me

You have to control the Process...you can't let GM dictate that you take the car to MAACO, the Painter down the Street that's related to the Salesman, or the Dealers Body Shop. There's a reason why Earl Scheib finally went out of business!
These are the places with Alot of New Painters and Preppers that are just starting out and working their way up, or not talented enough to make a Good Shop. Cheap Pay = Cheap Work
Like anything else, GM is trying to get off as cheap as possible!
If you got a Bad Repaint, then you didn't do yourself any favors in the dealings.

[samsumon]

So what's the outcome ? Can't you just get the number to the highest person at GM? I'm sure it's public somewhere. Or call your local news agent.. They know how to get things going.

[backeddy]

If you ever saw the finishes on the Ferrari and lambos I used to own, you would find a shop that could replicate that.....lots of wet sanding and lots of clear and you would be smiles ahead.