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75rusty · 07-29-2010, 03:50 PM

Huh.

Mine's still in the shop.

CAMAR0 · 07-29-2010, 05:31 PM

Back

SummitWhiteLS · 07-29-2010, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAMAR0

As far as shifting gears goes now... the trans feels totally different. It was more of a clunk into gears before, now it feels much smoother and less notchy. 2nd also feels like every other gear which it never did before. Hopefully this all makes sense.. Ok back to driving

FYI: flywheel bolts were loose, the keyway between 2nd gear and the center shaft was damaged.. in all they ordered 4x part numbers but in the end only used the new trans assembly and the new flywheel bolts along with some loctite.

Good Luck dude!

nak3dsnake · 07-30-2010, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAMAR0

Finally a lucky break!

They found new bolts somewhere and had a tech stay until midnight to button it up. The manager of the dealership said they ended up doing a whole new transmission and did the TSB for the flywheel bolts. They did 3x test drives on it today and said she's ready to come home!

FINALLY!

I'll post an update once I get a chance to drive it!

Couldn't find the TSB on the flywheel blots. Could you send me that info?

02pewtersix · 07-30-2010, 09:29 AM

all you guys sending in your cars for the trans problems, do yall have any modifications done?...exhaust,intake?? just curious cuz im in an arguement now with one dealership on my aftermarket parts voiding my warranty. theres no proof on their side and now i cant get a response and people are sending me to other people to talk to cuz no one can help or knows what they are doing. anyone else?

nak3dsnake · 07-30-2010, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02pewtersix

all you guys sending in your cars for the trans problems, do yall have any modifications done?...exhaust,intake?? just curious cuz im in an arguement now with one dealership on my aftermarket parts voiding my warranty. theres no proof on their side and now i cant get a response and people are sending me to other people to talk to cuz no one can help or knows what they are doing. anyone else?

There's a little thing called the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act
http://www.impalaclub.com/naisso/magmoss.htm

Vehicle manufacturers are not allowed to void the vehicle warranty just because aftermarket parts are on the vehicle. It is ILLEGAL!

02pewtersix · 07-30-2010, 09:40 AM

yea, i actually had that in hand after i went back up there to them.

i told them about it one day and they kept argueing. left and went back up there the next day and showed them...thats when they started telling me who i need to talk to and kept running me in circles with so many different people

CAMAR0 · 07-30-2010, 09:43 AM

It doesnt matter

nak3dsnake · 07-30-2010, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02pewtersix

yea, i actually had that in hand after i went back up there to them.

i told them about it one day and they kept argueing. left and went back up there the next day and showed them...thats when they started telling me who i need to talk to and kept running me in circles with so many different people

Contact the better business bureau, or a GM service representative higher up the food chain. Or go somewhere else like CAMAR0 said.

rolnslo · 07-30-2010, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02pewtersix

all you guys sending in your cars for the trans problems, do yall have any modifications done?...exhaust,intake?? just curious cuz im in an arguement now with one dealership on my aftermarket parts voiding my warranty. theres no proof on their side and now i cant get a response and people are sending me to other people to talk to cuz no one can help or knows what they are doing. anyone else?

No problems with my SOLO exhaust being on the car for warranty work. You need to find a more friendly dealership. Check with Champion Chevrolet on Hwy 6 just north of Sugar Land.

02pewtersix · 07-30-2010, 09:53 AM

great! thanks guys, guess a different dealership will have to do it. ill check into the champion on hwy6, since they are a sponsor and all for Htowncamaro club. thanks rolnslo

thanks everyone for the input! hopefully i can get my trans taken care of, every gear feels heavy and clunky. 2nd is worse. dont seem to be able to shift like i want.

what does TSB stand for (technical service bulletin maybe)? is there not a recall on this yet?

CAMAR0 · 07-30-2010, 11:49 AM

Ya, technical service bulletin. Ill post the doc number for the tsb on the flywheel when i get home.

CAMAR0 · 07-30-2010, 03:38 PM

Document ID: 2290691
2010 C hevrolet C amaro [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] | C amaro (VIN F) Service Manual | Preliminary Information |
Document ID: 2290691
#PIP4655: Low Mileage Manual Transmission Difficult To
Shift - keywords hard - (Jun 11, 2009)
Low Mileage Manual Transmission Difficult To Shift
2010 Chevrolet Camaro
Equipped With a Aisin AY6 Manual Transmission RPO MV5 And V-6
Engine
The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehic le exhibits the symptom(s) desc ribed in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
Customers may c omment that the transmission is difficult to shift into 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th gears in
the above listed vehic le with low mileage, typic ally below 50 miles (80 kilometers).
Recommendation/Instructions:
The Aisin AY6 transmission sync hronizers requires a break in period. The shifting should improve after
about 50 miles (80 kilometers) of c ity driving and shifting of the transmission. Do not attempt any
repairs until the break-in period in c ity type driving has been completed. Vehic les built after June
18th 2009 will have the transmissions broken-in prior to installation into the vehic le and should not
exhibit this c ondition.
Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and c omplete eac h step. If the c ondition
exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be

CAMAR0 · 07-30-2010, 03:38 PM

2010 C hevrolet C amaro [xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] | C amaro (VIN F) Service Manual | Preliminary Information |
Document ID: 2447469
#PIP4774A: Soft Or Low Clutch Pedal Hard To Shift
Transmission Grind When Shifting Or Unable To Shift -
(Apr 19, 2010)
Subject:
Soft Or Low Clutch Pedal, Hard To Shift Transmission, Grind When
Shifting Or Unable To Shift
Models:
2010 Cadillac CTS
2010 Chevrolet Camaro
Built Prior To February 2010 And Equipped With a Manual Transmission RPO
MV5 Or MV7
This PI was superseded to add models, change title and customer concern. Please discard
PIP4774.
The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehic le exhibits the symptom(s) desc ribed in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
Customers may c omment that the c lutc h pedal is soft, low or the transmission is difficult to shift or
cannot be shifted into any gear particularly when at a stop with the engine running or the
transmission grinds when shifting into any gear. Technicians may find that the c lutch does not
completely disengage when the c lutch pedal is depressed. This c onc ern may be caused by loose
clutc h pressure plate bolts.
Recommendation/Instructions:
1. Chec k the torque on ALL of the pressure plate bolts, the torque should be at or above 30 N·m
(22 lb ft).
2. If all of the bolts were properly torqued replace the bolts and apply red Loc tite 242 to the
threads, then proc eed with published diagnosis.
3. If any of the bolts were found to be loose remove the pressure plate and inspec t both the
© 2010 General Motors. All rights reserved.
pressure plate surfac e as well as the clutc h disc , if any c onc erns are found such as heat
distress replace the components as nec essary using procedures listed in SI.
4. During reassembling replac e all the pressure attac hing bolts and apply red Loctite 242 to the
threads to make c ertain the bolts do not c ome loose.
Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and c omplete eac h step. If the c ondition
exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be
performed.

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07-29-2010, 03:50 PM	#141
75rusty awesome! Drives: 07 Jetta WB, '92 GTI 16vT, '76 LUV Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Snohomish, WA Posts: 117	Huh. Mine's still in the shop.

07-29-2010, 05:31 PM	#142
CAMAR0 Loose is Fast! Drives: Mikes Hard Lemons Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Brick House Posts: 645	Back

07-30-2010, 09:29 AM	#145
02pewtersix Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 199	all you guys sending in your cars for the trans problems, do yall have any modifications done?...exhaust,intake?? just curious cuz im in an arguement now with one dealership on my aftermarket parts voiding my warranty. theres no proof on their side and now i cant get a response and people are sending me to other people to talk to cuz no one can help or knows what they are doing. anyone else?

07-30-2010, 09:40 AM	#147
02pewtersix Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 199	yea, i actually had that in hand after i went back up there to them. i told them about it one day and they kept argueing. left and went back up there the next day and showed them...thats when they started telling me who i need to talk to and kept running me in circles with so many different people

07-30-2010, 09:43 AM	#148
CAMAR0 Loose is Fast! Drives: Mikes Hard Lemons Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Brick House Posts: 645	It doesnt matter

07-30-2010, 09:53 AM	#151
02pewtersix Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 199	great! thanks guys, guess a different dealership will have to do it. ill check into the champion on hwy6, since they are a sponsor and all for Htowncamaro club. thanks rolnslo thanks everyone for the input! hopefully i can get my trans taken care of, every gear feels heavy and clunky. 2nd is worse. dont seem to be able to shift like i want. what does TSB stand for (technical service bulletin maybe)? is there not a recall on this yet?

07-30-2010, 11:49 AM	#152
CAMAR0 Loose is Fast! Drives: Mikes Hard Lemons Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Brick House Posts: 645	Ya, technical service bulletin. Ill post the doc number for the tsb on the flywheel when i get home.

07-30-2010, 03:38 PM	#153
CAMAR0 Loose is Fast! Drives: Mikes Hard Lemons Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Brick House Posts: 645	Document ID: 2290691 2010 C hevrolet C amaro [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] \| C amaro (VIN F) Service Manual \| Preliminary Information \| Document ID: 2290691 #PIP4655: Low Mileage Manual Transmission Difficult To Shift - keywords hard - (Jun 11, 2009) Low Mileage Manual Transmission Difficult To Shift 2010 Chevrolet Camaro Equipped With a Aisin AY6 Manual Transmission RPO MV5 And V-6 Engine The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehic le exhibits the symptom(s) desc ribed in this PI. Condition/Concern: Customers may c omment that the transmission is difficult to shift into 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th gears in the above listed vehic le with low mileage, typic ally below 50 miles (80 kilometers). Recommendation/Instructions: The Aisin AY6 transmission sync hronizers requires a break in period. The shifting should improve after about 50 miles (80 kilometers) of c ity driving and shifting of the transmission. Do not attempt any repairs until the break-in period in c ity type driving has been completed. Vehic les built after June 18th 2009 will have the transmissions broken-in prior to installation into the vehic le and should not exhibit this c ondition. Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and c omplete eac h step. If the c ondition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be

07-30-2010, 03:38 PM	#154
CAMAR0 Loose is Fast! Drives: Mikes Hard Lemons Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Brick House Posts: 645	2010 C hevrolet C amaro [xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] \| C amaro (VIN F) Service Manual \| Preliminary Information \| Document ID: 2447469 #PIP4774A: Soft Or Low Clutch Pedal Hard To Shift Transmission Grind When Shifting Or Unable To Shift - (Apr 19, 2010) Subject: Soft Or Low Clutch Pedal, Hard To Shift Transmission, Grind When Shifting Or Unable To Shift Models: 2010 Cadillac CTS 2010 Chevrolet Camaro Built Prior To February 2010 And Equipped With a Manual Transmission RPO MV5 Or MV7 This PI was superseded to add models, change title and customer concern. Please discard PIP4774. The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehic le exhibits the symptom(s) desc ribed in this PI. Condition/Concern: Customers may c omment that the c lutc h pedal is soft, low or the transmission is difficult to shift or cannot be shifted into any gear particularly when at a stop with the engine running or the transmission grinds when shifting into any gear. Technicians may find that the c lutch does not completely disengage when the c lutch pedal is depressed. This c onc ern may be caused by loose clutc h pressure plate bolts. Recommendation/Instructions: 1. Chec k the torque on ALL of the pressure plate bolts, the torque should be at or above 30 N·m (22 lb ft). 2. If all of the bolts were properly torqued replace the bolts and apply red Loc tite 242 to the threads, then proc eed with published diagnosis. 3. If any of the bolts were found to be loose remove the pressure plate and inspec t both the © 2010 General Motors. All rights reserved. pressure plate surfac e as well as the clutc h disc , if any c onc erns are found such as heat distress replace the components as nec essary using procedures listed in SI. 4. During reassembling replac e all the pressure attac hing bolts and apply red Loctite 242 to the threads to make c ertain the bolts do not c ome loose. Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and c omplete eac h step. If the c ondition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.