Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Bigwormgraphix
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > General Camaro Forums > Member Car Journals


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 09-24-2015, 02:42 PM   #85
cdb95z28

 
cdb95z28's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Johnstown, PA
Posts: 1,425
I have to look how much toe in I went to, 1/16" would be about .063". And yes I did like the change. I'll update when I get home and look at the #s. The rear stayed at .20 degrees total toe.
__________________
2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM-Build Thread:http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395103
My Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/roadracing3/
2010 GMC Sierra 1500 Crew Cab SLE 5.3L-Hauls stuff
2009 Pontiac G8 GT-SOLD
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7L-SOLD http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/cars...-c-lt1-691328/
2012 Chevrolet Traverse LT-Hauls Kids
1981 'Vette-Chevette that is, "Yeah, I had a 'Vette"-SOLD(obviously)
1984 Chevrolet Caprice Classic/1991 Chevrolet Caprice-Old man cars while I was in my 20s & 30s

Last edited by cdb95z28; 09-24-2015 at 02:45 PM. Reason: rear toe #
cdb95z28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2015, 08:57 PM   #86
cdb95z28

 
cdb95z28's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Johnstown, PA
Posts: 1,425
I'm at .150" TOE IN at the front and I love the feel. Winter is coming, damn. 9500 total miles on the car, 5500 more than last year.

And to reiterate, I measured my OE toe at .173" Toe IN
__________________
2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM-Build Thread:http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395103
My Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/roadracing3/
2010 GMC Sierra 1500 Crew Cab SLE 5.3L-Hauls stuff
2009 Pontiac G8 GT-SOLD
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7L-SOLD http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/cars...-c-lt1-691328/
2012 Chevrolet Traverse LT-Hauls Kids
1981 'Vette-Chevette that is, "Yeah, I had a 'Vette"-SOLD(obviously)
1984 Chevrolet Caprice Classic/1991 Chevrolet Caprice-Old man cars while I was in my 20s & 30s

Last edited by cdb95z28; 10-24-2015 at 11:18 PM.
cdb95z28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2015, 11:16 PM   #87
cdb95z28

 
cdb95z28's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Johnstown, PA
Posts: 1,425
As I mentioned I did my first full on track day back in September. For this event I had the Z/28 brake ducts installed. While these work well in removing heat from the brakes, I believe that the Quantums probably are better at focusing cool air to the rotors. I decided to integrate the Quantums without giving up the Z/28 ducts, increasing overall cooling vs. with one or the other. I have no data to support this, but future track days will either support this move or not.

The continued use of the Z/28 ducts present a challenge in routing the 3" duct tubing, which resulted in me removing my windshield washer reservoir. For me, this is acceptable as I choose to drive my Camaro on dry days from the late spring to early autumn for which I rarely would use the washer.

I have only done the driver's side, but preliminary observations of the passenger side show that the coolant reservoir make present some routing issues also.

More info on the fog light/duct inlet to follow
Some pics:
My duct inlet for the Quantums use the fog light bezel. Yes, I have read what others have stated that GM says this area is not optimum for an inlet. I looked at the Stevenson Z/28.R front fascia and they are utilizing the fog light area. I understand there are other variables at play here, but how bad can it be?

Name:  imsa-scc-sebring-2015-6-stevenson-motorsports-camaro-z-28-r-robin-liddell-andrew-davis.jpg
Views: 724
Size:  450.0 KB

Name:  DSC02056.jpg
Views: 691
Size:  188.1 KB


Here you can see both the Z/28 duct inlet and the inlet for the Quantums
Name:  DSC02054.jpg
Views: 689
Size:  114.9 KB
__________________
2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM-Build Thread:http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395103
My Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/roadracing3/
2010 GMC Sierra 1500 Crew Cab SLE 5.3L-Hauls stuff
2009 Pontiac G8 GT-SOLD
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7L-SOLD http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/cars...-c-lt1-691328/
2012 Chevrolet Traverse LT-Hauls Kids
1981 'Vette-Chevette that is, "Yeah, I had a 'Vette"-SOLD(obviously)
1984 Chevrolet Caprice Classic/1991 Chevrolet Caprice-Old man cars while I was in my 20s & 30s

Last edited by cdb95z28; 10-24-2015 at 11:30 PM.
cdb95z28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2015, 11:47 PM   #88
AG1LE


 
Drives: AG1LE
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: NE
Posts: 2,377
I'm surprised nobody has expanded the front grille like the Stevenson Camaros. I'm very tempted to install a tubular front bumper bar (or do major surgery on the OE bumper bar) and extend that grille to get more airflow. I know this has nothing to do with brakes, but seemed like a good time to bring it up since you posted the picture.
AG1LE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2015, 03:34 AM   #89
Superman09
Account SNAFU
 
Superman09's Avatar
 
Drives: 13 Tahoe 79 Scout II 15 1LE
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: College Station, TX
Posts: 1,348
Posting for future reference
Superman09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2015, 09:58 AM   #90
cdb95z28

 
cdb95z28's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Johnstown, PA
Posts: 1,425
Quote:
Originally Posted by AG1LE View Post
I'm surprised nobody has expanded the front grille like the Stevenson Camaros. I'm very tempted to install a tubular front bumper bar (or do major surgery on the OE bumper bar) and extend that grille to get more airflow. I know this has nothing to do with brakes, but seemed like a good time to bring it up since you posted the picture.
I agree, I've studied pics of the Stevenson Camaro, and I almost pulled the trigger on the Moreno crash bar allowing more area for engine cooling. There is a separate black plastic piece behind the fascia but ahead of the bumper bar that could be trimmed, which would allow more airflow. But I put safety ahead of performance on that, my car is still going to be primary a street vehicle.
__________________
2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM-Build Thread:http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395103
My Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/roadracing3/
2010 GMC Sierra 1500 Crew Cab SLE 5.3L-Hauls stuff
2009 Pontiac G8 GT-SOLD
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7L-SOLD http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/cars...-c-lt1-691328/
2012 Chevrolet Traverse LT-Hauls Kids
1981 'Vette-Chevette that is, "Yeah, I had a 'Vette"-SOLD(obviously)
1984 Chevrolet Caprice Classic/1991 Chevrolet Caprice-Old man cars while I was in my 20s & 30s
cdb95z28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2015, 05:45 AM   #91
X25


 
X25's Avatar
 
Drives: '16 C7 Z51
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Redmond, WA
Posts: 3,057
Great build thread; thanks for sharing!

There is so much to reply to (like my doubts on RideTechs), but last thing first: why would you not use the Z/28 brake cooling ducts and extend the Quantum ducting hose from there to the spindle? You could just trim the final turn of that ducting, and let it go parallel to the frame, and make the turn past the suspension to prevent rubbing, and voila!

I wonder if you could use those fog light ducting, and put the air on an oil cooler core for additional (to OEM) oil cooling. Oh well.. : )
__________________
'16 Corvette C7 Z51 1LT (Build Thread)
'14 AGM 1SS 1LE [COTW 11/17/14] (Build Thread) (SOLD)
'13 Mazda MX-5 Club (Build Thread)
'17 RAM 1500 Crew Cab 4x4 Night Edition
'15 Nissan Rogue S AWD
X25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2015, 10:32 PM   #92
cdb95z28

 
cdb95z28's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Johnstown, PA
Posts: 1,425
There would be more fabricating to mount 3" hose to the Z/28 duct, making one have a smooth transition to the other may present a challenge. The Z/28 duct is bigger than one may think, a bigger cross section than 3" hose. I would not disagree that anything is possible with more time, thinking and money.

If you are talking about running the hose parallel to the frame (wheel well side), you still have to contend with the radius rod. Though, with the suspension at static ride height there may be enough room to squeeze it above the radius rod. I've seen others run their hose thru the OE hole in the wheelhouse with minor trimming. I'm at work right now, so I can't lay eyes on my car to confirm the above observations. I have my 3" hose running inside the frame rail then bridging over thru the splash shielding.

My thinking was the advantage of the Quantums is focused cooling right at the center of the rotor. The Z/28 ducts can help with more overall heat removal.

That is a good idea on an air source for an aux oil cooler, though my small opening from the fog light is smaller than 3". The 3" hose actually slipped over the bumper cover's fog light mounting tabs (rather perfect fit). I did not have to add any other means to fasten it, the mounting teeth grab the hose.

I've followed your build, lots of great info, thank you. I appreciate your input here on mine.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the RideTechs.
__________________
2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM-Build Thread:http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395103
My Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/roadracing3/
2010 GMC Sierra 1500 Crew Cab SLE 5.3L-Hauls stuff
2009 Pontiac G8 GT-SOLD
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7L-SOLD http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/cars...-c-lt1-691328/
2012 Chevrolet Traverse LT-Hauls Kids
1981 'Vette-Chevette that is, "Yeah, I had a 'Vette"-SOLD(obviously)
1984 Chevrolet Caprice Classic/1991 Chevrolet Caprice-Old man cars while I was in my 20s & 30s
cdb95z28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2015, 10:56 PM   #93
cdb95z28

 
cdb95z28's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Johnstown, PA
Posts: 1,425
Yes, I still have doubts on the RideTechs, whether it is warranted or not. My aim was:
-lower ride height
-more damping
-weight reduction
-stiffer springs

Staying reasonable on cost was one factor that pushed me to the Ridetechs.

They did deliver on all the above criteria, but I do understand that there are other factors that dictate a positive upgrade. The subjective "feel" is something that went away vs. the OE 1LE struts/springs/alignment. But I did make other changes that may have also changed that. I have played with different combos the last few months and I am on the right track for that "feel" unfortunately winter is here and that is the end of the fun.

And how do I quantify the changes? I did not have any data on the OE setup, other than I thought the car needed more help in transitions. No times on the track before or after, though I had 2 other 1LE's to compare mine to. The first was at the event I mentioned in post #3. He had more power, but I laid down faster times. He did confess to not running his very hard. The other time was my first track day in this car. I have time at (part) of Pitt Race but they added a new South section to the North section so I had to learn a new part of the track along with some tuning. There was another 1LE there and he has hundreds of miles there and I only got to run with him in my 2nd session (of 3) he walked away from me. IIRC he had at least Detroit Speed springs, camber plates. Track time was the big advantage there.
__________________
2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM-Build Thread:http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395103
My Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/roadracing3/
2010 GMC Sierra 1500 Crew Cab SLE 5.3L-Hauls stuff
2009 Pontiac G8 GT-SOLD
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7L-SOLD http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/cars...-c-lt1-691328/
2012 Chevrolet Traverse LT-Hauls Kids
1981 'Vette-Chevette that is, "Yeah, I had a 'Vette"-SOLD(obviously)
1984 Chevrolet Caprice Classic/1991 Chevrolet Caprice-Old man cars while I was in my 20s & 30s
cdb95z28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2016, 09:48 AM   #94
Airway Monkey
 
Airway Monkey's Avatar
 
Drives: 2015 2SS/1LE
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: SC
Posts: 176
Great build thread!!! Love following along. I'm hoping to take my 1LE down a similar path, and I will be using your thread along with Dropspeed's and X25's to help look at some of the lessons learned!!

Matt
Airway Monkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2016, 08:52 AM   #95
HELLsx
 
Drives: 2SS/RS 1LE
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Montreal
Posts: 161
Nice job!!

I juat read from beginning to end! Giving me ideas!,

Keep posting your changes!!
__________________
BOUGHT THE LAST avail. 2015 1LE in Canada!!!
Signed March 3rd 2016.
Shippig from British Columbia to Montreal for delivery.

2SS-RS-1LE.
Exhaust (NPP), Recaro's(AYZ), Navigation, Heads UP display, Boston acoustic (UHQ), Rear view camera, Sun roof (CF5) ...(hey, it was there...), Opt Gas cap (VQL), Optionnal carpet mats (VYW), rear cargo net (W2D). RS package (WRS) / with HID lightning and fogs (T4F and T3N).
Yep..... It was kinda loaded!! :-) but it was the last 2015 1LE in Canada. I wanted white.... I got BLACK!!!! Lol!!!
HELLsx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2016, 02:31 PM   #96
cdb95z28

 
cdb95z28's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Johnstown, PA
Posts: 1,425
Thanks guys, I need to update soon
__________________
2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM-Build Thread:http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395103
My Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/roadracing3/
2010 GMC Sierra 1500 Crew Cab SLE 5.3L-Hauls stuff
2009 Pontiac G8 GT-SOLD
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7L-SOLD http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/cars...-c-lt1-691328/
2012 Chevrolet Traverse LT-Hauls Kids
1981 'Vette-Chevette that is, "Yeah, I had a 'Vette"-SOLD(obviously)
1984 Chevrolet Caprice Classic/1991 Chevrolet Caprice-Old man cars while I was in my 20s & 30s
cdb95z28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2016, 11:31 PM   #97
cdb95z28

 
cdb95z28's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Johnstown, PA
Posts: 1,425
Update

So I'm waiting for RideTech to send me new and improved front endlinks.........still waiting........mine were bent, ever so slightly, how? I do not know, but they had a slight bend in them, they are aluminum. They never made noise. Otherwise the RideTech coilovers are a great option for the money. Their communications could be better, I tend to converse via email due to work commitments. This is going back to since maybe February. Still....waiting...

Anyway there was some Z/28 struts/spring assemblies on ebay a few months back, I bought a set. And I bought the Z/28 anti-roll bars. The z/28 springs are stiff, borderline for me. With my Moreno camber plates, the front sat higher than the rear. I don't buy that the Z/28 stuff sits lower than the 1LE stuff, at the least it is the same ride height.

So I thought about blazing new trails. Z/28 struts/shocks with a set of BMR 1" drop springs. Would the Z/28 struts "pack down" with too much dampning? (So much rebound that the springs would not spring back to a consistent ride height) No they haven't. I bought a set of JPSS Black magic anti-roll bars (ARB) from Bill Hurd because with the 1LE anti-roll bars I felt there was too much roll. Lowering springs lower the center of gravity but can affect the roll centers which induces more roll.

I just did a track day at Pitt Race on May 18th. Car rotates nice with throttle application, though maybe not as much as when I had the RideTechs and OE 1LE ARb's. i do have the JPSS fornt bar set to full stiff though. Transitions are nice. I had -2.0* front camber, .-8* on the rear . One thing I played with over the winter was the caster. I made new caster blocks and set the Morenos to more caster. I attained 9.5* of caster! Might be a record! From what I understand, beyond how caster affects the "feel", it helps the inner tire in a turn. if you run lots of negative static camber, this hurts that inner tire in a turn, it is leaning the wrong way. More caster helps you run less static camber. More static caster helps that tire. Now, how much? I do not know, I did not get any tire temp readings that were worth a damn, (only after cool down lap>>worthless).

Toe is at 1/16" in front, .20* rear. I set the alignment at the shop I mentioned earlier in my thread, Lohr Auto. I set the front to -.8* front camber, noted the adjuster at the knuckle , then set it to -2.4* (safe max) and noted the adjuster again. Each revolution of the adjuster at the knuckle equals .4* of camber change. I can now switch from street (-.8*) to race (-2.4*) without having to visit an alignment machine. I leave the Morenos alone because they are mostly adding positive caster, with just a little help adding negative camber. I adjust toe with a LongAcre Toe bar.
__________________
2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM-Build Thread:http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395103
My Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/roadracing3/
2010 GMC Sierra 1500 Crew Cab SLE 5.3L-Hauls stuff
2009 Pontiac G8 GT-SOLD
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7L-SOLD http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/cars...-c-lt1-691328/
2012 Chevrolet Traverse LT-Hauls Kids
1981 'Vette-Chevette that is, "Yeah, I had a 'Vette"-SOLD(obviously)
1984 Chevrolet Caprice Classic/1991 Chevrolet Caprice-Old man cars while I was in my 20s & 30s
cdb95z28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2016, 11:42 PM   #98
cdb95z28

 
cdb95z28's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Johnstown, PA
Posts: 1,425
Brakes survived with no discoloration of the calipers. I have 2 brake ducts, the Z/28 ducts and homemade inlets at the foglights along with the ducts from JDP. Bought Corvette ZO6 non carbon ceramic calipers with the vented pistons. They will go on sometime this summer.
Still running the Goodyear SuperCars.

So the 2017 1LE info has been released. Bitchin for sure. Grip is gonna be on another level. Steering will be (even) more awesome. But, the 5TH Gen still gets it done in the looks dept. I get so many comments, thumbs up and otherwise positive comments on my 1LE, that every drive is pretty cool becuase of how people react.

Wow, life sucks that these decisions are so tough

Beyond having to convince the wife......
__________________
2014 1SS 1LE NPP Recaros SIM-Build Thread:http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395103
My Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/roadracing3/
2010 GMC Sierra 1500 Crew Cab SLE 5.3L-Hauls stuff
2009 Pontiac G8 GT-SOLD
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7L-SOLD http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/cars...-c-lt1-691328/
2012 Chevrolet Traverse LT-Hauls Kids
1981 'Vette-Chevette that is, "Yeah, I had a 'Vette"-SOLD(obviously)
1984 Chevrolet Caprice Classic/1991 Chevrolet Caprice-Old man cars while I was in my 20s & 30s
cdb95z28 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.