11-13-2008, 02:15 PM | #29 |
just can't seem to leave
|
not that i wanna sound like a prick, but you can also read a map
__________________
Eve ('00 FRC): hot-air intake
Rowan ('09 H3): 5spd mom-mobile Penny ('99 Sierra): 5.3 / HD 5spd... gone but not forgotten Samson ('18 HD): compounded 408 |
11-13-2008, 02:41 PM | #30 |
Drives: X-15 Velocipede Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: SW Florida
Posts: 4,637
|
I don't like the way most instrument panels are designed around the nav screen in the center.
When I ordered a new Corvette, I did not order nav, mainly because if you get nav, GM removes the auxillary input jack. That being said, if I ran a car company, EVERY model would have factory nav available. It's basics of modern automobiles. This is another case of GM telling potential customers what they should want, rather than listening and making products more people want to buy. I'm happy they added a BLUE SS model, they do listen when they think it will cost them sales. Don't flame me! I'm gasoline
__________________
Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge
General Motors ASEP, A.S. Automotive Technology, Telecommunications Specialist, CISCO Network Engineer STANDARD DISCLAIMER camaro5 is furnishing this information "as is". camaro5 does not provide any warranty of the information whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose or any warranty that the contents of the information will be error-free. |
11-13-2008, 02:45 PM | #31 |
PowerStroke this Ford boy
Drives: Like Don Garlits "Big Daddy" Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Richlands/Camp Lejeune NC
Posts: 462
|
If there was sat nav another post would have been started it would be called
WHY IS GM MAKING ARE CARS HEAVIER or WHY IS THE PRICE SO HIGH........ |
11-13-2008, 04:27 PM | #32 |
Moderator
|
The sad fact is that you are so correct by pointing this out.
__________________
RDP Motorsport//GEN5DIY//Cultrag Performance//JPSS//Rodgets Chevrolet//
Operation Demon//Buy at Invoice//RACECARWEAR RESPECT ALL CARS. LOVE YOUR OWN. warn 145:159 ban |
11-13-2008, 08:03 PM | #33 |
Moderator.ca
|
We already have a few on those topics
__________________
Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them
__________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!!__________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum |
11-13-2008, 09:08 PM | #34 | |
Future Camaro Driver.
Drives: 2009 Escape/2007 Ridgeline Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Northeastern, PA (Poconos)
Posts: 479
|
Quote:
I am confused, unless you order the option how does it raise the price of the car?
__________________
Automatics don't suck. I can flip you off and change gears at the same time.
Last edited by PA FAST; 11-13-2008 at 09:27 PM. |
|
11-13-2008, 10:41 PM | #35 |
Moderator.ca
|
Spreading the costs. I have assumed a bunch of numbers here so don't take any of them as fact. A nav system costs around $2000. Now the components themselves cost less than $2000, probably closer to $500 -this is more than portable units because they won't be buit in the same quantity and will have more complex casings and mounts. A good portion of the money for options gets pocketed by dealers, lets say half to a third, so thats about $800. That means that GM 'pockets' $700 from every $2000 nav system. Lets assume that 10 000 Camaro's each year would have been ordered with nav. That makes for $7 000 000. However, the costs of development as well as the extra tooling required to make 2 different interior sets would likely exceed that. So the price of every model will have to go up to absorb these costs. So rather than adding $1000 to every nav unit (that would decrease sales of the units, requiring a further price hike) it is more appealing to add $100 to every car.
__________________
Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them
__________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!!__________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum |
11-14-2008, 08:21 AM | #36 |
Drives: 98 Heavily Modded Pontiac GTP Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 114
|
^Sadly he's right. The R&D to put in the nav would increase overall R&D, but some proper budgeting pricing could fix this. Even if the Nav was another 3k, it's still an option.
Also, this platform is already out there. I couldn't imagine it'd take them a whole lot of R&D for something the Australians already have. Look at the G8, same exact car rebadged w/o half the options the Holden has...
__________________
Future G8 or Camaro SS owner. Help me choose...
|
11-14-2008, 12:19 PM | #37 |
Drives: '91 Z-28 Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Phoenix, Az
Posts: 446
|
Sat nav would've put the car over 2 tons
.....JK |
11-14-2008, 04:51 PM | #38 | ||
Future Camaro Driver.
Drives: 2009 Escape/2007 Ridgeline Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Northeastern, PA (Poconos)
Posts: 479
|
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
Automatics don't suck. I can flip you off and change gears at the same time.
|
||
11-14-2008, 04:56 PM | #39 |
Drives: BLACK ON BLACK 2012 CAMARO SS Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: LOS ANGELES, CA
Posts: 743
|
I don't have GPS in my car but I do have it on my phone. I actually just ordered a car mount that clips onto the AC vents to hold the phone while I'm using it. My phone battery performs pretty well while I'm using GPS, and if I need to charge it I'll just plug it in like i'd have to do anyway. Personally, I feel that in-dash GPS units are way overpriced. Although it is nice having one display that handles everything and integrates perfectly in the car's interior, $2k+ for something that's a PITA to update, non-mobile, and will probably lower resale value? No thanks. Mobile GPS units and GPS enabled phones are the future; once people realize that in-dash units aren't much more than a status symbol or fad they'll become obsolete on all but higher-end vehicles.
__________________
BLACK CAR + FLAT BLACK STRIPES + BLACK WHEELS = BLK PW3R!!
****Thanks to Silver Streak for the pic I used to make this sig**** |
11-14-2008, 05:07 PM | #40 | |
Future Camaro Driver.
Drives: 2009 Escape/2007 Ridgeline Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Northeastern, PA (Poconos)
Posts: 479
|
Quote:
If a market exist for Supercharges that cost $6,000 (Which can be labeled as a status symbol) I think from here on out we can expect navigation systems to become optional equipment even on the cheapest of cars. Don't believe me? Check out the Suzuki SX4 and 2009 Honda Fit. Every day that goes by I see more and more cars with them. You check every new and upcoming car most of them offer the navigation system, if no one was going to buy them automakers would of stopped offering the option by now. I still remember a guy all these years ago that told me keyless entry was a fad that would die off.
__________________
Automatics don't suck. I can flip you off and change gears at the same time.
|
|
11-14-2008, 05:40 PM | #41 |
Drives: 2016 2SS Camaro, 2017 Acura Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Maryland
Posts: 469
|
I have On-Star turn-by-turn in my 2008 Buick Enclave. I've had several occasions when it didn't work. It uses CDMA cell phone technology to send the directions. Look at a verizon coverage map (they use CDMA). If you aren't in their area (base or roaming) you won't get On-star. I keep a Magellan unit in the car for trips. I like the other info, like estimated arrival time and visual representation of the roads.
__________________
2016 2SS, Auto, Garnet Red, Black Interior, Magnetic Ride, Performance Exhaust, and Nav.
Past highlights: 2013 2LT/RS, 2010 pre-order Camaro 2LT,1969 Chevy Malibu, 1972 Plymouth 'Cuda, 1972 Pontiac GTO, 1979 Turbo Buick Century. 'See the USA in your Chevrolet...' Dinah Shore, 1952: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGZvQoPxhNs |
11-14-2008, 07:26 PM | #42 | |
Drives: '91 Z-28 Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Phoenix, Az
Posts: 446
|
Quote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
CRUZE gets nav. but not camaro???? | 2010_5thgen | Audio, Video, Bluetooth, Navigation, Radar, Electronics Forum | 37 | 11-09-2008 02:29 PM |
Ordering a car i've never seen in person or sat in | LT1Jeep | Camaro Price | Ordering | Tracking | Dealers Discussions | 22 | 10-29-2008 09:17 PM |
I sat in the Dodge Challenger R/T | rray200 | General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion | 15 | 10-28-2008 04:09 PM |
Dealer said order deadline/cutoff this Sat....please read! | 350 HRSS | Camaro Price | Ordering | Tracking | Dealers Discussions | 38 | 10-22-2008 04:53 PM |
Does the Camaro NEED Nav?? | BigZAJ | 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions | 62 | 05-31-2008 05:51 PM |