NOT to start the V6/V8 B.S., but is it just me, or ....

[DonM]

I just watched a few versions of the commercial (IMO - HYSTERICAL!!) and I didn't see any indications of it being an SS. Maybe an RS, but that's still a V6. It sounds good, and it has fog lights, but a 'regular' gold bowtie in the grill. I can't call it.

[HOJO]

Originally Posted by DonM

Too, isn't the LS7 supercharged? The 302 was N/A.

The LS7 in the Z28 is naturally aspirated. I see the minds are working over time. Nice to see everyone playing well together.

[Silver14]

Originally Posted by DonM

Too, isn't the LS7 supercharged? The 302 was N/A.

No.

http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines/ls7

[gringo]

Originally Posted by DonM

COOL! The honest answers are starting ... keep 'em coming.



In all fairness, the LS7 isn't quite what I was referring to as it IS a purpose built, race-inspired/designed engine with-like you said, a much larger displacement. I was wanting to compare a relatively SMALL displacement engine VS the typically larger displacement engines that were/are currently available.






This is the same as I was thinking. In the spirit of the 302, the 3.6 has the same characteristics ... high revving, better output at rpms the "regular engines" couldn't touch. Running on 87 is a bonus. I ADMIT, the 3.6 can't compare the numbers to the modern "regular engines" (especially torque), but in the SPIRIT of things, I feel that it is an incarnation of the 302.

The 3.6 can't compare to modern engines in torque? The LFX has only 6 ft-lbs less torque than the "state of the art" LGX 3.6. That's primarily due to the LGX being a larger displacement 3.6L than the old LLT/LFX.

Since the Z28 had to be N/A for heritage reasons, GM just stuck the big cubed LS7 from the Vette in it. Even though it was a large displacement, the high revving small block nature of the LS7 fit in with the heritage of the original "302" Z28.

Sure, it would've been better if they designed a modern interpretation of the 302, perhaps a state of the art 5.0L V8 with a 9-10k rpm redline, but the LS7 was pretty good and it was a lot cheaper.

What gets my feathers in a ruffle is the new Corvette ZR1 LT5. That "LT5" should've been a modernized DOHC 32V V8, not just a pushrod LT4 with a larger blower on it. Ugh!

[DonM]

All good points regarding the LS7 and Z28. I wasn't trying to narrow it down to Z28 engines specifically, just how in the overall picture the 3.6 resembles the 302.

Originally Posted by gringo

The 3.6 can't compare to modern engines in torque? The LFX has only 6 ft-lbs less torque than the "state of the art" LGX 3.6. That's primarily due to the LGX being a larger displacement 3.6L than the old LGX/LLT.

Since the Z28 had to be N/A for heritage reasons, GM just stuck the big cubed LS7 from the Vette in it. Even though it was a large displacement, the high revving nature of the LS7 fit in with the heritage of the original "302" Z28.

Sure, it would've been better if they designed a modern interpretation of the 302, perhaps a state of the art 5.0L V8 with a 9-10k rpm redline, but the LS7 was pretty good and it was a lot cheaper.

What gets my feathers in a ruffle is the new Corvette ZR1 LT5. That "LT5" should've been a modernized DOHC 32V V8, not just some pushrod LT4 with a larger blower on it. Ugh!

[GatorGreg]

Originally Posted by mikeinmobile

The Jeff Gordan Pepsi commercial is a pretty good example of what the 6 can do in the right hands.

Yep!

[spyderbuddy]

ok its not a 2010 some where above 2012(dash) and the brakes are dead giveaway. Its a V6 RS Camaro

[GatorGreg]

Originally Posted by spyderbuddy

ok its not a 2010 some where above 2012(dash) and the brakes are dead giveaway. Its a V6 RS Camaro

It's definitely a 2013 1LT auto (despite the 09 on the window ) since that was the only year with MyLink radio before the refresh for 2014. No mail slot so it's an LFX V6. Not an RS since it's lacking the 20" wheels and halos. I don't see the 4-pack gauges or leather seats so it's got to be a 1LT. I could use that extra cup holder for above the screen - it held onto that Pepsi pretty good!

I do think they edited in some V8 exhaust sounds a few times like when he was on the loading dock ramp for example.

[spyderbuddy]

yep not an rs cloth seats

[Coleroad]

Originally Posted by spyderbuddy

yep not an rs cloth seats

Rs package doesn't determine cloth or leather. 1lt, or 2lt determines that.

[genxer]

I'll try stirring the pot here.

The OP has a great point comparing the modern 3.6 V6s to the old 302 as rev-happy engines. And not trying to draw V8 ire.

I love the idea of buying an LS7 car eventually. But in my larger scheme of things, RPMs are over-rated. And the heritage is from the pushrods in a V8. OHC is capitulation. (On a small side note, years ago I missed the chance to build a stroker 4.3 in a boxy S10 regular cab with Z28 stripes.)

I appreciate the Ford guys that built 347s. The Chevy 302 should have also been with a lower deck height. Lower center of gravity and reduced weight is a nice plus. Going back to comparing new versus old: a new 302(350?) would be an excuse to offer a clean-looking no bulge hood, similar to the old small-block cars.

It's getting to be past the point of other peoples' ideas being upsetting.

[2010reddevil]

I can tell you one thing, engineering a pushrod 302 cube V8 to try and compete realistically with say, the Coyote 302 would be super expensive and pointless. I'm sure it could be done using some pretty exotic internals, but what about durabity? How long will the thing last? Yes everyone knows that pushrod engines are the only source of power in things like Nascar. And those things do make tremendous power, but at what cost? A single race of 400 to 500 miles and done. I just wish GM would get with the modern times and make a new dohc V8, even if it's a smaller one, say 5.3L, but with a big bore and short stroke to take advantage of a well engineered 4v head. Now THAT would be a win imo.

[SecondZ28]

Originally Posted by gringo

What gets my feathers in a ruffle is the new Corvette ZR1 LT5. That "LT5" should've been a modernized DOHC 32V V8, not just a pushrod LT4 with a larger blower on it. Ugh!

I completely agree

[genxer]

Originally Posted by 2010reddevil

I can tell you one thing, engineering a pushrod 302 cube V8 to try and compete realistically with say, the Coyote 302 would be super expensive and pointless. I'm sure it could be done using some pretty exotic internals, but what about durabity? How long will the thing last? Yes everyone knows that pushrod engines are the only source of power in things like Nascar. And those things do make tremendous power, but at what cost? A single race of 400 to 500 miles and done. I just wish GM would get with the modern times and make a new dohc V8, even if it's a smaller one, say 5.3L, but with a big bore and short stroke to take advantage of a well engineered 4v head. Now THAT would be a win imo.

The implication of the topic is a vote of confidence in the newer V6s by comparing them to older V8s. I understand that, without agreeing. The rivalry with Ford's Coyote isn't in the cards here.

I would go as far as saying the current, more & faster, competitive, part of the segment is stretching to an unhealthy area. The 90s-00s Mustangs were the less expensive, better everyday cars. Even though I would never have bought one.