[Trans damm]

Originally Posted by Jeb114

Due any of you remember GM was days away from Bankruptcy and Ford wasn't. GM can not throw money around with out positive sales. They went down that path once and it bit them. I love my Camaro but I own GM Stock and I am very critical about all those Z/28's sitting in lots unsold. Just the R&D on and engine are millions of millions of dollars. And if they are going to invest in a new engine they better sell more than 500 Cars. This HP war with the manufactures can not last long.

Im sure the weak pallet of cars helped them into bankruptcy. The HP wars are taking buyers from the German counterparts. I would have bought a BMW if the CTS-V wasnt powered by the LSA. And i will consider the new M4 over the Camaro if the new Z doesnt have ridiculous HP.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Trans damm

And i will consider the new M4 over the Camaro if the new Z doesnt have ridiculous HP.

That's an odd comparison. The M4 was under a second faster than the 1LE at VIR. From all we are hearing, the base SS (or at least with MRC) should best the previous 1LE and put the hurt on the M4. Not to mention the hurting the 5th gen Z/28 put on it.

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Originally Posted by SuperSound

That's an odd comparison. The M4 was under a second faster than the 1LE at VIR. From all we are hearing, the base SS (or at least with MRC) should best the previous 1LE and put the hurt on the M4. Not to mention the hurting the 5th gen Z/28 put on it.

apparently most on this forum are track junkies, me on the other hand will spend more of my time weekend cruising and at the 1/4 or some roll racing. The M4 gives up some of the performance but makes up for it in sophistication.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Trans damm

apparently most on this forum are track junkies, me on the other hand will spend more of my time weekend cruising and at the 1/4 or some roll racing. The M4 gives up some of the performance but makes up for it in sophistication.

It was odd to me that you mentioned the Z needs ridiculous for you to consider it, but that's the opposite of the design philosophy of the M4. More luxury features and civility yes, but then that's the exact opposite of the Camaro and the Z/28 especially. So it doesn't sound like you want a Z/28 or did you mean the ZL1? And why wouldn't you be looking at the ATS-V if you like what the M4 offers?

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Originally Posted by SuperSound

It was odd to me that you mentioned the Z needs ridiculous for you to consider it, but that's the opposite of the design philosophy of the M4. More luxury features and civility yes, but then that's the exact opposite of the Camaro and the Z/28 especially. So it doesn't sound like you want a Z/28 or did you mean the ZL1? And why wouldn't you be looking at the ATS-V if you like what the M4 offers?

without getting into my life story on a forum. i have a 9month old. so i need 4 seats so vette is out. Im looking for a weekend toy, i daily drive a 2012 CTSV. I want a 1/4 brawler for the street/Strip, i may track the car 2/3 times a summer but not competitively so thats not the biggest concern to me. My V lease goes back shortly so maybe the M4 would replace the V and satisfy my toy need and ill throw some more money at my Grand National. In a perfect world im looking for a 4 seater Z06/Z07. Power with the track capibility.

[v8]

I want a ZL1 with 700+ HP. I know I'm dreaming, but hey, maybe not. I really hope Ford pushes the envelope with the next GT500 and Dodge has already passed the 700HP mark. I think this great competition is what we need to push GM. So to Ford and Dodge

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Trans damm

without getting into my life story on a forum. i have a 9month old. so i need 4 seats so vette is out. Im looking for a weekend toy, i daily drive a 2012 CTSV. I want a 1/4 brawler for the street/Strip, i may track the car 2/3 times a summer but not competitively so thats not the biggest concern to me. My V lease goes back shortly so maybe the M4 would replace the V and satisfy my toy need and ill throw some more money at my Grand National. In a perfect world im looking for a 4 seater Z06/Z07. Power with the track capibility.

I hear you. So why not consider the ATS-V? I'm sure your Caddy dealer would give you a good deal to keep you coming back.

[Trans damm]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I hear you. So why not consider the ATS-V? I'm sure your Caddy dealer would give you a good deal to keep you coming back.

Im not into the look, and really not crazy about the V6 even though i know its going to be an animal. I did have a stong eye on it until I seen it a few weeks back at the auto show and its just not doing it for me. The CTSV looks the part and its serious car, but then im back to an expensive daily driver vs a weekend toy. I live in NYC and cars take a beating here on the street, im so crazy about my current V and everytime a wash it my wife hears me cursing at the new found dents/dings. To keep my sanity i figured i would step down my daily driver and My weekend toy would stay mint and keep the hair in my head.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by v8

I want a ZL1 with 700+ HP. I know I'm dreaming, but hey, maybe not. I really hope Ford pushes the envelope with the next GT500 and Dodge has already passed the 700HP mark. I think this great competition is what we need to push GM. So to Ford and Dodge

You can get an SS, with some of the features the current ZL1 has, MRC for one, and then take it to Lingenfelter, they have several LT1 packages up to 1000HP.

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Originally Posted by v8

I want a ZL1 with 700+ HP. I know I'm dreaming, but hey, maybe not. I really hope Ford pushes the envelope with the next GT500 and Dodge has already passed the 700HP mark. I think this great competition is what we need to push GM. So to Ford and Dodge

you and me both brother! BUT i think we have a while to wait for that..

[WHAMMO]

Originally Posted by Trans damm

The LSA was never in the vette because the LS7 was already in the Z06 when the LSA came out (people perferred the NA motor) and the LS9 was to expensive to put in the V and Z. The LS7 is not all the impressive in the Camaro as you can see by the Z28 straight line numbers. That being said I do not think there will be any LT4 Camaro in the 50's. Base will be a around A 60k car (maybe just under for zero options) I think they might build the ZL1 and do a track package similar to the vette's Z07. Z07 is a 10K option. Im not seeing two different cars this time around.

So it gets the Camaro down the 1/4 as fast as the LSA and its not impressive? With 80hp less? Its is the best N/A engine in stock car for the price..until Ford's hit the street with the GT350.

If GM do not put the exact same LT4 in the Camaro ZL1, they will fail. i'm sorry but they have no choice; Hellcat 707hp, GT500 750hp?..and ZL1 will still be behind with 650hp. Depends on the price and package, but it better be cheaper than those 2. Even the GT350 will be faster/equal a ZL1 with an engine around 600hp, for less money..The gT350 will have somewhere 530hp and be lighter and produce less heat than supercharged engine.

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Originally Posted by WHAMMO

So it gets the Camaro down the 1/4 as fast as the LSA and its not impressive? With 80hp less? Its is the best N/A engine in stock car for the price..until Ford's hit the street with the GT350..

I think there is about 1000 Z owners with dropped valves that would disagree with you. Most call the LS7 a "ticking time bomb" Not words of encourgement when spending $75k on a car.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by WHAMMO

So it gets the Camaro down the 1/4 as fast as the LSA and its not impressive? With 80hp less? Its is the best N/A engine in stock car for the price..until Ford's hit the street with the GT350.

If GM do not put the exact same LT4 in the Camaro ZL1, they will fail. i'm sorry but they have no choice; Hellcat 707hp, GT500 750hp?..and ZL1 will still be behind with 650hp. Depends on the price and package, but it better be cheaper than those 2. Even the GT350 will be faster/equal a ZL1 with an engine around 600hp, for less money..The gT350 will have somewhere 530hp and be lighter and produce less heat than supercharged engine.

I think it is safe to assume the LT4 based camaro will only have 650HP, yes this is what we already know of the capability of the LT4. GM may surprise us yet.

BTW, i'm fine with 650, even IF...(i haven't heard anything official on a new GT500) Ford brings a GT500 with 750.

Let's not forget folks, the aftermarket will fill any demand in HP packages...and I don't know for sure, but from what i've read on Camaro5 ZL1 forum...there are some pretty basic mods you can do to get 50 to 100 HP gain.

I know, I know, 750 from GM Production line would be....AWESOME.

Once again, go buy a 2016 Camaro SS, and spend 20K in mods, and you'll have a 900 to 1000HP Camaro for the same price as a ZL1 with 650.

[z28camaro2471]

GM does not need to build a separate motor to compete with the GT350. They need, if they desire, to build a car that competes with the GT350.

Here is uneducated guess at what we will see with the 6th gen.

V6 - $25-$35 (Platinum). Just please don't call it a Berlinetta with the Platinum option
TI4 - $28-$38 if they build them. It will differentiate from the V6 as a performance alternative. RS
LT1 - $35-$49.9. This is your SS. High end assumes 1LE or MRC and Platinum.
LT4 - $51-$69.0. This is your Z/28. You can option it out like a V6, base up to Platinum. 1LE or MRC will be available.


No ZL1. See the C7. No ZR1.