Setup for autox.. Need suggestions

[JusticePete]

With your bone stock SS your absolute first modification should be alignment. The factory aligns to a broad green range to a rather numb set of specs. Find a quality alignment shop and align to these specs.

Front Camber -1.00
Front Toe 0.00

Rear Camber 0.00
Rear Toe IN 0.10
Rear Total Toe 0.20

You SS will feel like it should have felt when delivered new. For your track day change out the OE brake fluid. Have your Chevy Dealer do a complete flush using the Tech II or USB tool to cycle the ABS pump.

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Castrol SRF has been, is the gold standard for brake fluid and is priced like gold. There are a number of good fluids on the market. The most important specification is the wet boiling point. Pick the highest wet boiling point at the best price. Two bottles should be more than enough.

I do use Castrol SRF in my cars.

While the tech is doing the brake fluid have him / her check your pads and rotors. You want a minimum of 60% pad and rotor to hit a road course. Change your engine oil and your SS is ready for your track day!

As you progress, you have so many options available. Foundational Bushes and an upgrade to Z style bars would be next. Depending on how much you enjoy the track event you may go even deeper into your suspension. THE Book for the 5th Gen Camaro will help you develop a solid upgrade path.

Pedders 2010 Chevrolet Camaro Suspension Evaluation

Foundational 5th Gen Required Upgrades

Lowering Coils and Coilovers

Trouble Free, OEM Quiet V6 Lowering

Sway Bars

Suspension Bushes

ZL1 / CTS-V Brake Upgrade for the SS

Wheels and Tires

Bush Timing, Alignment and Torque Specs

Pedders USA Camaro 2.0

Lingenfelter L/28 Tech

5th Gen Wheel Hop and Drag Race Setup

Thermal Management

Running Changes Made to the 5th Gen by Chevrolet

Public Track Test #1

Public Track Test #2 Camaro vs. Mustang Supercar Shootout

2013 Strut Mounts, Pedders Coilover Pre-Compression and Ride Height Settings

[Rad_dsm]

Justicepete, along with the new alignment, which one of the sway bars would you replace to reduce the body roll?

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Rad_dsm

Justicepete, along with the new alignment, which one of the sway bars would you replace to reduce the body roll?

You have a couple of choices. Your 11 rear sway bar mounts inside the rear struts making it far less effective and efficient than the 12 style or Z bar that mount outside the struts close to the wheel.

Installing a Pedders inboard mount 27mm bar with your OE front will deliver a much better balanced car than you are driving.

Upgrading to the new style ZL1 / ILE bar requires an update of the rear LCAs to the new Z style. We have a complete conversion kit with a 27mm front and 32mm rear bar complete with adjustable front endlinks, rear droplinks and new ZL1 arms. The difference between OE 11 and this setup is H U G E.

We have the 27mm rear bars on sale as we plan to discontinue them in favor of the inboard 32mm and full Z bar upgrade.

[PfadtRacing]

Check out the Pfadt Sway bar....we also can provide the conversion kit. Once you convert, there will be so many options in the future!

[ICTsccaCamaro]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

With your bone stock SS your absolute first modification should be alignment. The factory aligns to a broad green range to a rather numb set of specs. Find a quality alignment shop and align to these specs.

Front Camber -1.00
Front Toe 0.00

Rear Camber 0.00
Rear Toe IN 0.10
Rear Total Toe 0.20

O rear camber? Cant see this being any help for corners we are running -1.4 front and rear is maxxed at -1.2, please explain why 0 rear camber with help a car turning hard?

[ICTsccaCamaro]

Well rear is just rite at max camber and front is a good in the middle for a daily driven car/ a car that runs full season every event autocross (also wanted to have a hotter/ more aggressive alignment than the buddies stock ZL1 for bragging rights lol) also helps to have unlimited free use of our alignment rack at work

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by ICTsccaCamaro

O rear camber? Cant see this being any help for corners we are running -1.4 front and rear is maxxed at -1.2, please explain why 0 rear camber with help a car turning hard?

Your Camaro has a square wheel and tire set up, 1LE, suspension, etc. It is far from stock. What is the #1 issue common to all SS models when driven hard?

[mlee]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Your Camaro has a square wheel and tire set up, 1LE, suspension, etc. It is far from stock. What is the #1 issue common to all SS models when driven hard?

Understeer...

[AutoAgenda]

BC Racing Coilovers are a very good option, especially on a budget. They are a white-label for many high end manufacturers and very high quality.

Originally Posted by VR Baron

This, My car looked like yours around the cones, and that is a 2012 with the better suspension! It was a workout swinging around the cones with all that understeer.I DID THE pFADT ZL1 SPEC BARS, then the springs, then now wider wheels and rad arm bushings.The bars, then springs really helped keeping the car flat around the turns and alot less understeer. Felt like you could now focus on speed and driving

Pfadt is awesome! Highly recommend sway bars, very reasonable price for a world of difference.

[SPCBA]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Your Camaro has a square wheel and tire set up, 1LE, suspension, etc. It is far from stock. What is the #1 issue common to all SS models when driven hard?

Originally Posted by mlee

Understeer...

hard to decide between understeer or the booty swaying or brake fade

ummmm ya understeer...car pushes and keeps pushing until you get fed up and upgrade. hate turning the wheel and the rear wheels decide to drive the car forward. would rather have oversteer atleast the driver can correct that.


a solid alignment changes the car. I did the street/track compromise as I dont feel like getting 2 alignments every other week for my dd and road course car. some bushings and sways and alignment will make your car go where you want and get you a lot closer to neutral steering.

[JusticePete]

The alignment I spec's for a stock SS, balances the car.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by SPCBA

hard to decide between understeer or the booty swaying or brake fade

ummmm ya understeer...car pushes and keeps pushing until you get fed up and upgrade. hate turning the wheel and the rear wheels decide to drive the car forward. would rather have oversteer atleast the driver can correct that.

Couple of thoughts here . . . autocross probably approaches controlled testing, particularly on successive runs. In any event, just the course walking removes most of the "surprise" factor (for which you'd be better served in street driving by having a minimal amount of understeer present).

Another factor is yaw damping, which decreases with speed. "Tossable" at autocross is likely to become too loose as speeds rise.

a solid alignment changes the car. I did the street/track compromise as I dont feel like getting 2 alignments every other week for my dd and road course car. some bushings and sways and alignment will make your car go where you want and get you a lot closer to neutral steering.

I'd seriously consider getting the rear set to whatever "best overall average" settings and play with the front between daily and competition settings with camber plates yourself. This really doesn't have to be much more than turning wrenches and jacking the corner once you know where to put things (for several years I did just this with a shim-adjusted 1979 Malibu, with up to about 2° camber difference). Less negative front camber for a little more understeer on the street, more negative for competition, which I think will tend to drag the front toe in the outward direction just a little.


Norm