So if Dodge has this at SEMA - will the Z28 be soon to follow?

[SemperFi]

Ha ha ha. Did anyone look at those challenger pics?? Looks like a little pig with that stupid hood.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by CWIweldace

Tell me if i'm wrong, but isn't the LS3 a small block?

It is, the LS3 is a Gen IV small block. He mentioned Gen V.

[zebra]

Originally Posted by CWIweldace

Tell me if i'm wrong, but isn't the LS3 a small block?

yeah it is & so is the Gen V in development. if you look at it from an automaker's standpoint, why would you make a 500cid behemoth if you could get relatively close power with a small block? it's lighter, more fuel efficient (one of the big players nowadays) & costs less. the list goes on.

here's a little info on the development
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...uto-com-54138/

[MrKrisSullivan]

Ummm.... have any of you guy's checked out the 6.4 Hemi Challenger Dodge sells for super-stock drag races... it's a drag car only but has been putting down consistent 10's in the quarter-mile.. 6.4 Hemi rated at 505hp...ummm... that would take a ZO6 bro's everyday of the week... Honestly it wouldn't be that hard for dodge to build these what they would have to do is quit building Vipers... which they've been talking about doing for a couple years now already....

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by Speed74SS

I wonder if this Challenger SRT-10 will ever come to production and if it does will the Z28 follow?

http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/10/the-viper-is-de.html

Never gonna see a showroom floor.

Originally Posted by The_Blur

The Z28 is not the equivalent of a ZR1. Why would a Z28 ever compete with this? If anything, this is a fresh competitor of the Z06. The Z06 would still win with ease.

Dodge policy does not determine Chevy policy. Just because Dodge blows all of its money on a car that won't make production doesn't mean that GM has to blow all of its money on a car that won't make production any time soon as well.

You're kidding right? This is, at best, a competitor for the GT500 KR.
Z06 weighs 3000 lbs and handles.
Challenger weighs 4000 lbs and wallows.

Power be damned, they're targeted to different consumers.

Apples to spinach.



Besides, if things go the way they're looking, GM is going to do the Chrysler what Chrysler did to AMC.

Buy it, sell off any liquid assets, absorb the cash in Chrysler's coffers, and then fold every brand that Chrysler owns except for Jeep because Jeeps will always sell.

Originally Posted by MrKrisSullivan

Ummm.... have any of you guy's checked out the 6.4 Hemi Challenger Dodge sells for super-stock drag races... it's a drag car only but has been putting down consistent 10's in the quarter-mile.. 6.4 Hemi rated at 505hp...ummm... that would take a ZO6 bro's everyday of the week... Honestly it wouldn't be that hard for dodge to build these what they would have to do is quit building Vipers... which they've been talking about doing for a couple years now already....

Are you comparing a full drag car to a street legal, full warranty, street car that was designed to handle on the Nurbergring?

They sell maybe 100 of those drag Challengers a year. The General sells thousands of vettes. I fail to see how anything but massive deficit will come from that. If they ever decided to sell those cars street legal, the weight would go back up to 4000 lbs and they'd sell about as well as the GT500KRs because they'd be exorbitantly priced.

[Dom]

I'd rather them remove 500lbs then add 200hp.

[SilverTurtle]

Originally Posted by Dom

I'd rather them remove 500lbs then add 200hp.

:werd:


and you know that the V10 weighs more than the 6.1L Hemi, so they added MORE weight to the car to do that... no matter how many carbon fiber parts they used.

[MrKrisSullivan]

well yeah the V-10 weighs more...
they've got the 6.4 ready... just not sure if there's a market left for it...
Same goes for the Z28 project...
But that V-10 is rated over 600hp now N/A stock... Some of you guy's are talking about the ZR1 which is gonna be S/C
IMO Dodge should drop the Viper and concentrate on the Challenger and makeing that a nameplate.... they could make different models with it, something GM will never really do with the 'VETTE... you get two engine options...
Dodge doesn't use really any Carbon Fiber parts that's why the dang thing weighs 4,000lbs... the 'Vette weighs what maybe 3200lbs?? LOL If the Challenger was carbon fiber you'd see those 10's I was talking about earlier... you've got to be kidding... Yeah it might be apples to spinach... but it's a performance argument that's all, I just think Dodge is holding itself back and now they'll fold under there own pressure...
The HEMI is extremely effeicient you can't argue that a 6.2 LS3 puts out 400-425 a 6.4 392ci HEMI will easily put out over 500 hp... that equals GM's Best right now LS7 a 427ci hog... My theroy is what if and what if??? They brought the 426 HEMI BACK??? LOL... Or maybe GM needs that in the 'VETTE and there wouldn't be a problem with the LAMBO's and ENZO's... Just a thought...

[headpunter]

Originally Posted by MrKrisSullivan

well yeah the V-10 weighs more...
they've got the 6.4 ready... just not sure if there's a market left for it...
Same goes for the Z28 project...
But that V-10 is rated over 600hp now N/A stock... Some of you guy's are talking about the ZR1 which is gonna be S/C
IMO Dodge should drop the Viper and concentrate on the Challenger and makeing that a nameplate.... they could make different models with it, something GM will never really do with the 'VETTE... you get two engine options...
Dodge doesn't use really any Carbon Fiber parts that's why the dang thing weighs 4,000lbs... the 'Vette weighs what maybe 3200lbs?? LOL If the Challenger was carbon fiber you'd see those 10's I was talking about earlier... you've got to be kidding... Yeah it might be apples to spinach... but it's a performance argument that's all, I just think Dodge is holding itself back and now they'll fold under there own pressure...
The HEMI is extremely effeicient you can't argue that a 6.2 LS3 puts out 400-425 a 6.4 392ci HEMI will easily put out over 500 hp... that equals GM's Best right now LS7 a 427ci hog... My theroy is what if and what if??? They brought the 426 HEMI BACK??? LOL... Or maybe GM needs that in the 'VETTE and there wouldn't be a problem with the LAMBO's and ENZO's... Just a thought...

we are more referring to a ZL-1...the camaro Supercar not the corvette

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by MrKrisSullivan

well yeah the V-10 weighs more...
they've got the 6.4 ready... just not sure if there's a market left for it...
Same goes for the Z28 project...
But that V-10 is rated over 600hp now N/A stock... Some of you guy's are talking about the ZR1 which is gonna be S/C
IMO Dodge should drop the Viper and concentrate on the Challenger and makeing that a nameplate.... they could make different models with it, something GM will never really do with the 'VETTE... you get two engine options...
Dodge doesn't use really any Carbon Fiber parts that's why the dang thing weighs 4,000lbs... the 'Vette weighs what maybe 3200lbs?? LOL If the Challenger was carbon fiber you'd see those 10's I was talking about earlier... you've got to be kidding... Yeah it might be apples to spinach... but it's a performance argument that's all, I just think Dodge is holding itself back and now they'll fold under there own pressure...
The HEMI is extremely effeicient you can't argue that a 6.2 LS3 puts out 400-425 a 6.4 392ci HEMI will easily put out over 500 hp... that equals GM's Best right now LS7 a 427ci hog... My theroy is what if and what if??? They brought the 426 HEMI BACK??? LOL... Or maybe GM needs that in the 'VETTE and there wouldn't be a problem with the LAMBO's and ENZO's... Just a thought...

Learn some grammar and syntax. This post was a nightmare to read. I don't even want to respond to the fragmented flight of fantasy that is this post.

You're arguing performance? Then argue performance that is comparable.

The 392 RACE MOTOR is just that. A non warranty race motor. It's tuned leaner with a bigger cam. You can't compare that to a mild, fat, knock retard, torque management factory warrantied GM tune. You do the same boltons, a QM600 cam, and some headwork to an LS7, you're at 600 at the WHEELS. That is Lambo killing territory. Believe me, I've seen it.

Starting with a stock Challenger body-in-white, Mopar's engineers ripped out nearly 1000 lbs of equipment deemed unnecessary for the track. Although the Drag Pack cars will roll down the same Brampton, Ontario, assembly line as the street cars, these models are spared the addition of body sealer, sound deadening, a ventilation system, airbags, and rear seats. If that wasn't enough, Mopar removed the windshield wiper assembly, side- and rear-impact beams - and subsequently, any chance the car can be DOT-certified for the street. As a result, the Drag Race Package car weighs in at approximately 1000 lbs lighter than an SRT8.

I know quite a few 10 seceond, plated, registered Vettes running around. These cars have radios, AC, HUD, full stock interiors plus bar. Just using carbon fiber isn't going to shave off 1000 lbs from the Challenger.

[MrKrisSullivan]

Ok I hear you ZL-1, point is GM is leaning towards S/C's and Dodge is still N/A putting up similar numbers... If Dodge did use carbon fiber and S/C's I think there wouldn't be competition. I love the Camaro for what it is, A performer for the right price.

[Bone'Maro]

I haven't heard about Dodge stopping production of the Viper?

Too much cost to make and too little selling?

[headpunter]

Originally Posted by Bone'Maro

I haven't heard about Dodge stopping production of the Viper?

Too much cost to make and too little selling?

they dont just want to stop making it, they want to sell it.

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by MrKrisSullivan

Ok I hear you ZL-1, point is GM is leaning towards S/C's and Dodge is still N/A putting up similar numbers... If Dodge did use carbon fiber and S/C's I think there wouldn't be competition. I love the Camaro for what it is, A performer for the right price.

I would like to remind you that the bastardized "HEMI" nameplate you keep spouting about is nothing more than a rebadged LS3 nowadays.

Oh and if we are going to argue about which company makes the most powerful aftermarket drag race motor (since that is what you seem intent on with your 392) I would like to introduce you to a certain 572ci motor from GMPP. 720 N/A horses on eight cylinders.