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Old 07-18-2014, 01:01 PM   #197
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Finally 6G Mustang HP/TQ!

Premium fuel and 30mpg is still cheaper than premium and 20mph
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:14 PM   #198
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I'm guessing the 3.7 still makes 305 but Ford will advertise it at 300 to make the EB even more appealing. This is would make much more sense than reengineering an engine just to lose 5hp. Also, while in Overboost the 2.3, like all the other EB4's, should make another 8-9% hp and tq.





Has the ATS wheel base been confirmed? I know there are pics of the camo clad gen6, and it's sitting next to an Impala. So, knowing that Impala sits on a 111.7" wlb, it shouldn't be all too difficult accurately estimating gen6 Camaro's wlb.
I don't think any specs on the 2016 Camaro have been confirmed all speculation for now. Another guess but think we will get to see the 2016 Camaro around December so no reason not to wait on getting a new Mustang until at least then unless you have your heart set on one. 2015 Mustang is looking very nice. New Golf R is looking pretty crazy also they are saying sub 5 sec 0 to 60 on that car and all wheel drive. New Audi S3 has the same engine as the golf r and will be quick also but starts at $42k also och... 2015 wrx is looking pretty sweet also. Know I will get some flames for this but point is lots of great cars to look at in 2015/ 2016 model year.
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:19 PM   #199
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Is that it? I was really hoping to see 450/425 for this model. It will probably run about the same on the strip.
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I think Ford is sandbagging on the tune until gen 6 Camaro. I bet we see GT350 hit and power increases across the board right before or after chevy launches gen 6.
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The 2017 Mustang will have a big HP boost to deal with the Gen 6 Camaro. Both cars will hit the dealer lots at the same time.
My thoughts exactly.
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Old 07-18-2014, 02:11 PM   #200
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if im forced into premium fuel, v8 or 5.0 is only way to go.. im not dd a v6 t4 on premium .. I hope Chevy doesn't do the same..
so far none of the EB vehicles have required premium... but if you want the maximum HP, the car will automatically adapt of the higher octane... doubt the EB Mustang require premium...
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Old 07-18-2014, 02:38 PM   #201
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So my 2011 V6 has more power... Muhahahaha
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Old 07-18-2014, 02:43 PM   #202
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So my 2011 V6 has more power... Muhahahaha
It also weighs more!
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Old 07-18-2014, 03:01 PM   #203
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It also weighs more!
and has less area under the curve...
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Old 07-18-2014, 03:39 PM   #204
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Not bad. I think GM is going to do better than that, especially if the SS gets a engine upgrade. I'm drooling at the idea of Ford or GM introducing twin turbos, which is probably a ways off.
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Old 07-18-2014, 04:05 PM   #205
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and has less area under the curve...

And not as much torque!
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Old 07-18-2014, 06:15 PM   #206
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Everyone seems to be confusing the 93 octane "rating" used on the certification. If I read it correctly myself the 93oct is the RON measure. Fuel at the pump is (RON+MON)/2. MON typically ends up about 8 or 9 pts below RON. So, the fuel used to certify the numbers for the 2015 Mustang is most likely 88 or 89 and not 93.
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Old 07-19-2014, 10:30 PM   #207
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Ok? What is BS? I got 35rwhp from a tune on my 5.0 that is a 2012. He said LT1s get 30hp from a tune, well so do 5.0s. Like I said, once cars are modded it is nothing more than who has more money. Both can make whatever you want.
It is BS if you got 35RWHP on a bone stock Coyote with a TUNE ONLY with 91-93 octane. I'm talking bone stock with the ONLY mod being a tune on PUMP GAS 93 octane. Baseline fuel 93 octane as well. Please do show me a same day same dyno of a bone stock 2011+ Mustang GT with the ONLY mod being a tune with 91-93 octane in the tank. Here is arguably the best 2011+ Mustang tuner in the country(AED) results of a PUMP GAS TUNE ONLY on a otherwise bone stock car.



Here is what the new LT1 is doing BONE STOCK with the only mod being a tune on PUMP GAS.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-t...yno-tuned.html

And just so show that its not a fluke.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-t...ome-gains.html

Anyway, you COMPLETELY missed my point. I was not trying to show what a modded car could do. I was trying to show that GM could EASILY up the power on the LT1 from 460HP to about 480HP if they wanted to. GM usually ups the power on their Vette engines after around 3 model years.

Ford Fans are hoping and praying that a DI Coyote comes to compete with the LT1 but what they should realize is that the LT1 can gain more power also. It would not make sense to do all that R&D, testing, and mfging on the current 5.0 to just lose a ton of money on it and make a DI 5.0 for 2016. I wouldn't expect a DI Coyote until at least the 2017 model year and even then you would think that they would lose money on the old engine.

The Ford Fan boi predictions on the new 5.0 engine are laughable. I saw many 450-480HP predictions. I kept telling them it would not make any more power than a BOSS engine since that was pretty much what it was with a more restrictive intake manifold. Ford probably could have made 450 peak HP and 385 peak torque with this new engine with a different intake manifold but that would have made for a lazy car since the car is gaining more rotational weight and weight in general.
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Old 07-20-2014, 12:34 PM   #208
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AED is not the Best Mustang tuner. My money would be on Jon Lund. Most people get the most out of a tune by going from 87 to 93 octane.
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Old 07-20-2014, 01:30 PM   #209
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Based on this power to weight, I still see the new Mustang as just catching up to the Gen5 Camaro for ride and handling, then adding an updated engine. The Gen6 should have no problem unless GM gets silly with not controlling weight. GM could just release a Gen5 with the LT1 and a standard 3.91 rear end.
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Old 07-20-2014, 02:24 PM   #210
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AED is not the Best Mustang tuner. My money would be on Jon Lund. Most people get the most out of a tune by going from 87 to 93 octane.
Ever hear about VMP?
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