Tuner will VOID warranty

[GaryTucker]

Originally Posted by Mike@Diablosport

That thread is locked, and it does not explain to anyone that the flash counter ONLY shows GM factory flashes, and it does not explain that not all tuning products show up on the CVN count, so...I don't think it is a dead thread. Just another thread to further confuse people...

Or just another thread to tell people the truth....

[brtaus]

Originally Posted by Mike@Diablosport

That thread is locked, and it does not explain to anyone that the flash counter ONLY shows GM factory flashes, and it does not explain that not all tuning products show up on the CVN count, so...I don't think it is a dead thread. Just another thread to further confuse people...

True and at this point, who cares. All this arguing is a moot point until it is proven one way or the other -- either GM can read your tunes/flashes or they can't. Which means, "the tuner will void your warranty" argument is moot as well.

Since no one has come forward to say they reflashed their car to get warranty work done and it was OK'ed by GM or vice versa, we can say the point is still not proven. Thus, a pointless argument and thread.

[radz28]

Until it's proven otherwise, I think it's best to protect those who are here that want to protect their warranties.

That is all...

[Mike@DS]

Originally Posted by GaryTucker

Or just another thread to tell people the truth....

You see sir, there is the truth, then there is the whole truth...there will always be more to every story.

Does GM have a flash counter? Yes.

Will an aftermarket tune show up on that flash counter, well, you have countless professionals in this industry saying it will not, but that is not represented in that thread.

Is there a CVN counter? Yes.

Do ALL tuning devices show up on this counter, No.

I hope clear minds can see my point here.

[Mike@DS]

Originally Posted by radz282003

Until it's proven otherwise, I think it's best to protect those who are here that want to protect their warranties.

That is all...

I have a tech2...anyone local that wants to take me up on this offer, lemme know.

bring a video camera

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...6&postcount=11

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Mike@Diablosport

I have a tech2...anyone local that wants to take me up on this offer, lemme know.

bring a video camera

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...6&postcount=11

I know Tech2 has been around a while, and if that's what the dealers are using now for GM, then there's something to report. If a customer is most worried about warranty, until there is solid proof, the best is to stay away. I don't want to take anything away from ANY tuner, but that's about where things are right now.

[Milk 1027]

I have a proposal for diablosports and vectormotorsports (since they are the main two who claim their tunes cannot be detected).

Let's take an ecm from a volunteer car (preferably one who already has a voided warranty due to mods) be tuned and then reflashed to factory tune. Then have the car tested by a trustworthy GM dealership.

I will retract anything I've ever said on this issue if you prove your tunes cannot be detected.

I think that's a pretty fair and simple solution to this debate.

[SA CHEVY]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

I have a proposal for diablosports and vectormotorsports (since they are the main two who claim their tunes cannot be detected).

Let's take an ecm from a volunteer car (preferably one who already has a voided warranty due to mods) be tuned and then reflashed to factory tune. Then have the car tested by a trustworthy GM dealership.

I will retract anything I've ever said on this issue if you prove your tunes cannot be detected.

I think that's a pretty fair and simple solution to this debate.

I think Milk said it right. Do the test and determine once and for all so we can bury this topic and everyone can do as they please (pending results of course). Look forward to seeing a follow up on this

[radz28]

+3

[GaryTucker]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

I have a proposal for diablosports and vectormotorsports (since they are the main two who claim their tunes cannot be detected).

Let's take an ecm from a volunteer car (preferably one who already has a voided warranty due to mods) be tuned and then reflashed to factory tune. Then have the car tested by a trustworthy GM dealership.

I will retract anything I've ever said on this issue if you prove your tunes cannot be detected.

I think that's a pretty fair and simple solution to this debate.

It's not what the Tech 2 can see that worries me is what the pass-through to the GM engineer's computer shows...

[radz28]

Originally Posted by GaryTucker

It's not what the Tech 2 can see that worries me is what the pass-through to the GM engineer's computer shows...

So - once the Tech2 reads the PCM, the information goes to GM?

[1fastdog]

Forewarned is forearmed.

The important thing for me is that people realize there is a risk.

Believe, not believe, whatever.

You can get stuck with the bill. If someone wants to guarantee it is not possible?

Well, they are not making any such guarantee if you read it literally.

As long as all are aware of the risks.

I suggest that folks should read the warranty for their vehicle and anything they add to their vehicle.

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by radz282003

So - once the Tech2 reads the PCM, the information goes to GM?

Yup.
It gets emailed straight to GM

[1fastdog]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

I have a proposal for diablosports and vectormotorsports (since they are the main two who claim their tunes cannot be detected).

Let's take an ecm from a volunteer car (preferably one who already has a voided warranty due to mods) be tuned and then reflashed to factory tune. Then have the car tested by a trustworthy GM dealership.

I will retract anything I've ever said on this issue if you prove your tunes cannot be detected.

I think that's a pretty fair and simple solution to this debate.

I'd be more interested, personally, in what MDI/GDS review would reveal. Tech 2 is still relavent, but not the most up to date tool for the most up to date diagnostic uses.