02-27-2011, 05:05 PM | #15 |
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What was the volume?
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02-27-2011, 05:15 PM | #16 |
Hail to the King baby!
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Sorry, probably just me. I figured $5,000 was more than a "little".
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02-27-2011, 05:49 PM | #17 |
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I'd say the money they "blew" by mortgaging the farm is paying off nicely. And you're right, "most" people aren't going to buy them, only hard-core car enthusiasts. Those types love this car to death. This sub-forum wouldn't even exist if there wasn't interest in this type of car. A fully loaded GT comes in right around the same price as a Boss. You trade luxury for performance. Makes perfect sense to me, it just depends on what your priorities are; performance or luxury. Ford gives you that choice with the Mustang. Chevy has the Corvette, but it's out of reach to the average joe. |
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02-28-2011, 07:46 AM | #20 |
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None of the Camaros require a GG tax
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From a business perspective, Ford's management has been superb---starting with Bill Ford's gutsy and selfless leadership. He was the guy who bet the farm buy borrowing all that cash in 2006-7 that allowed Ford to survive the 2008 collapse while---at the same time--investing in future product. He was also the guy who recruited Mullally and voluntarily stepped aside to give him full reign. Think about this: If there was no GT500 would there still be a ZL1? If there was no Boss would there even be a prayer for a Z28? Regarding the Corvette, money is not the only issue. The Vette and Camaro appeal to different audiences. For example, I am blessed enough to be able to afford a ZR1 for cash without breaking a sweat. While I marvel at its capabilities, it just doesn't do much for me emotionally. But a ZL1 convertible is the car I will buy without hesitation---and keep it forever. I just have never really believed that the Corvette competes in the marketplace with either the Camaro or Mustang. Bruce |
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type in a search "rumor z28 still on the way" on google......i read an article that the author of one of the stories talked to an insider at gm and gm stated that a z28 will be released within the next 18 months.
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02-28-2011, 01:13 PM | #25 |
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Everyone knows the whole "save the best for last" saying.
There's a reason for it. My prediction is that the Zed WILL return, simply cause it's always been the most coveted of the Camaro lineup. I however think that it will be as unique as the ZL1, but rather relieve the ZL1's ride components, with a tuned LS3. It was always said after all that the LS3 has potential beyond the 426 horses that the SS currently produces. I think that doing a mash of the two models would be effective, financially, and do the job that would bring the Z28 back to it's right name. Oh, and they should also built it as a Manual tranny only!
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02-28-2011, 01:16 PM | #26 |
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Everyone knows the whole "save the best for last" saying.
There's a reason for it. My prediction is that the Zed WILL return, simply cause it's always been the most coveted of the Camaro lineup. I however think that it won't be as unique as the ZL1, but rather relieve the ZL1's ride components, with a tuned LS3. It was always said after all that the LS3 has potential beyond the 426 horses that the SS currently produces. I think that doing a mash of the two models would be effective, financially, and do the job that would bring the Z28 back to it's right name. Oh, and they should also built it as a manual tranny only!
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02-28-2011, 02:58 PM | #27 |
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With the BOSS (3600 lbs., 444 hp, 8.1 lb/hp) arguably called "the Best all-round Mustang ever" by magazine testers, it will take a Camaro of great(er) substance to equal/better its foe. 1SSs curb at 3850 lbs. and a few tricks may get that down by 50-100, after adding heavier upgraded suspension pieces. Which, to = BOSS, requires well over 460 hp. And the only non-boosted engine on the RPO shelf ready-to-go would be the LS7 (converted to wet-sump) which, @ 505 hp and a curb of 3750 (?) = 7.43...very close to the ZL1 but MUCH lighter (especially up-front) and therefore MUCH more nimble...
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02-28-2011, 05:22 PM | #28 |
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I think it's incredibly ironic that the Z28 speculation continues with the announcement of the ZL1...only because many (including myself), thought it would end with the revealing of the King of Camaros....
Anyways, it should be very interesting to see how it turns out. Especially given the boss-prostrating that's going on...I won't get nasty - Ford did a good job - suffice it to say that there are no magic bullets, and sometimes it's necessary to read beyond the hype.... |
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