5.0 vs 5th gen SS/RS road course times...

[Coyotekiller]

I've been trying to find times for the 2011 Mustang 5.0 and the 2010-2012 Camaro SS/RS. I'm sure this has been beat into the ground numerous times but searching it here brings up way too many threads for my lazy self to look thru lol. I've seen the Boss and SS run and frankly think it's kinda silly to run a track minded car like the Boss against the camaro and expect different results. I'm just curious where the GT 5.0 falls in this situation. I've heard it was fast on the road courses too but haven't seen proof...

So I'm kinda curious as to what are some fast times for stock models around laguna seca and road America or road Atlanta or wherever they run cars. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Bad70supreme]

There is no prof about what car is faster on a road course.. but really my money is on the camaro for sure! I dont care what anyone says, a solid axle car is not going to be better then the IRS on average. Once you start doing simple suspension mods I feel the camaro would walk away with it in handling.

[Deki]

At New Jersey Motorsports Park the 2010 SS Camaro ran a 1:40 flat, and a 2010 GT with the track pack ran a 1:40.7, same day, same track, with professional drivers at the helm of both cars. That was a 2010 GT with 100hp less than the 5.0. As you know, the 2010 track pack suspension became the standard suspension on the 2011 5.0. I know you can't compare the Lightning Lap times because they were done on different days with different drivers, but the 5.0 ran a 3:08.6 and the SS did a 3:09.5. I'd say it comes down to the driver, but over all, the Mustang, even without the Brembo package, holds a higer average G and has a higher peak G on the skid pad, and does the 200 and the 300 foot slaloms faster than the SS. I think the Mustang, with the same driver, would be faster on a road course.

[derklug]

Ford has done remarkably well with the solid rear axle, and they are laying down impressive G figures. The Camaro's IRS will work better on some road courses, but it's weight is a detriment. IRS really comes into play when you have a course with rapid right-to-left turns or uneven pavement. On a track with more sweeping corners with slower transitions and smooth pavement, the IRS is just added weight. All that being said, I would prefer the Mustang to have IRS as I don't drag race, and fun to drive roads are rarely maintained race track smooth.

[L99CAMA2011]

Stock 2012 LS3 would run circles around a 2010 LS3 SS. The 2012 5.0 i test drove felt not too sure footed to compare.

[_Nick_]

Originally Posted by L99CAMA2011

Stock 2012 LS3 would run circles around a 2010 LS3 SS. The 2012 5.0 i test drove felt not too sure footed to compare.

How is that? They are exactly alike, aside from a very minor upgrade in suspension.

[72MachOne99GT]

Where did motor trend pit the 5.0 vs the M3?

I recall the 5.0 being only a few tenths behind.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by Deki

. I think the Mustang, with the same driver, would be faster on a road course.

I agree completely stock for stock. On real roads w/ bumps to upset the suspension the IRS will perform better imho. I also see the Mustang as having a suspesnion that is tuned nearer to its optimum than the Camaro`s, and I think w/ full out suspesion mods to the mustang and the camaro, the camaro would be faster on a road course due in part to this, and the IRS. For drag racing I would much prefer the solid axle. But thats just me.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

I agree completely stock for stock. On real roads w/ bumps to upset the suspension the IRS will perform better imho. I also see the Mustang as having a suspesnion that is tuned nearer to its optimum than the Camaro`s, and I think w/ full out suspesion mods to the mustang and the camaro, the camaro would be faster on a road course due in part to this, and the IRS. For drag racing I would much prefer the solid axle. But thats just me.

To my knowledge the new standard fe4 suspension on the 2012 SS has not been tested against a new mustang GT head to head.

Given it wasnt too far behind before I wouldnt be surprised if the SS has a slight advantage now...but maybe not.

Just my .02

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

To my knowledge the new standard fe4 suspension on the 2012 SS has not been tested against a new mustang GT head to head.

Given it wasnt too far behind before I wouldnt be surprised if the SS has a slight advantage now...but maybe not.

Just my .02

what differences does the fe4 suspension consist of?

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by _Nick_

How is that? They are exactly alike, aside from a very minor upgrade in suspension.

I wouldnt say it was a "very minor" change...but not exactly an overhaul either.

-Shock and strut dampening rates have changed
-New solid front 23mm sway bar with stronger end links.
-Solid rear 24mm sway bar with new links and LCA mounting point

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

what differences does the fe4 suspension consist of?

lol...I answered that just now in response to another poster.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

To my knowledge the new standard fe4 suspension on the 2012 SS has not been tested against a new mustang GT head to head.

Given it wasnt too far behind before I wouldnt be surprised if the SS has a slight advantage now...but maybe not.

Just my .02

Very cool, looking forward to seeing thetests when they come out.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

I wouldnt say it was a "very minor" change...but not exactly an overhaul either.

-Shock and strut dampening rates have changed
-New solid front 23mm sway bar with stronger end links.
-Solid rear 24mm sway bar with new links and LCA mounting point

i see. Any numbers on the actual dampening rates and old sway bar sizes? Im sure its an improvement but to say thats enough to "run circles" around the previous Camaro offering is a bit of an overstatement imo.