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Waz_Wolf · 11-24-2022, 12:26 PM

I moved to SWFL this summer and bought a 2013 ZL1 Convertible A6. I have loved the car, and now I’m ready to start some tasteful modifications.

In the next year I will send the supercharger to Kong Performance for porting, rebuild, solid isolator, and pulley swap. I’m thinking 3.86 ratio. I have a set of ARH 1-7/8 headers in the garage and a set of catless mid pipes coming. ID 1050 injectors and a NW 103 tb with Roto fab cai round out my planned mods.

Cooling mods are a necessity living down here, besides the extra heat from the modifications. I’m thinking of the Weapon X HX with fans, bmr supercharger tank, and pierburg cwa400 pump, 160 degree stat, with a welded brick.

My car is 99% street driven, but spirited when possible.

Should I upgrade plumbing to 12-AN and add a spacer to the supercharger? Would there be an issue doing the cooling mods with cai before tuning? I know a full tune will be required when I pull the blower and do the rest of the mods. Fortunately, Tampa is an hour and a half away.

tartagliazl1 · 11-24-2022, 04:20 PM

I have the afco HX with fans. I’m sure the weapon x one is good also. The cwa400 is over kill unless your doing a ice box in the trunk. The zl1 pump is a good pump. A good replacement pump is the cwa100 flows good. Look at the dedicated motor sports Reservoir 2 gallon talk with 12an fittings.

Waz_Wolf · 11-24-2022, 06:28 PM

I looked hard at the Afco. Grew up with my dad racing circle track, so always liked/used the brand. Ultimately, upgrading all the plumbing to 12-An and a bit of a price break makes me lean weapon x.

Thanks!

tartagliazl1 · 11-24-2022, 06:31 PM

I just removed my afco for a Interchiller

Waz_Wolf · 11-24-2022, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tartagliazl1

I have the afco HX with fans. I’m sure the weapon x one is good also. The cwa400 is over kill unless your doing a ice box in the trunk. The zl1 pump is a good pump. A good replacement pump is the cwa100 flows good. Look at the dedicated motor sports Reservoir 2 gallon talk with 12an fittings.

I like your build! Very similar to my intentions. How close are you to maxing the 850 injectors? I was worried about being on the edge. Hence the 1050s in my OP.

tartagliazl1 · 11-24-2022, 07:32 PM

Not even close to maxing out the 850’s but i spray 1450cc of methanol on full boost. 1050 are a good start. If i ran E85 they would be way too small

Waz_Wolf · 11-24-2022, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tartagliazl1

Not even close to maxing out the 850’s but i spray 1450cc of methanol on full boost. 1050 are a good start. If i ran E85 they would be way too small

Once I send the blower out to be ported and get a tune and data, we’ll see if meth or e85 is warranted. I eyeballed a spacer from weapon x. Just didn’t think I was there yet.

Risingson05 · 11-25-2022, 09:27 AM

I’ve got ported blower and heads but running e-85 so I’ve got fore triple l4 system w-ID1300’s - running afco hx w/ fans aswell as an 6 gal ice trunk tank with emp pump ..

If I recall I’m only running 40-50% duty cycle at wot .

bsn · 11-25-2022, 10:13 AM

E85 works really well on a ZL1 with a good fuel pump or DSX aux pump, sensor and the ID1050X injectors you should pick up 40-90HP depending on your other modifications and help cool the intake charge.. The ID1050X should support about 800WHP on E85 but you will be maxed out-running a kittle lower content and you would be fine.

roh · 11-25-2022, 06:52 PM

What is the reason or advantage of AN plumbing for the intercooler? Low pressure coolant.
What am I missing?

tartagliazl1 · 11-25-2022, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by roh

What is the reason or advantage of AN plumbing for the intercooler? Low pressure coolant.
What am I missing?

No advantage to an vs push lock. Advantage is going with a bigger diameter hose. Stock hose is 5/8” i just re-plumbed mine in 3/4” push lock hose. Bigger hose less restriction to flow.

Waz_Wolf · 11-25-2022, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tartagliazl1

No advantage to an vs push lock. Advantage is going with a bigger diameter hose. Stock hose is 5/8” i just re-plumbed mine in 3/4” push lock hose. Bigger hose less restriction to flow.

Exactly. Though when I read, AN is worth about 10% extra flow over rubber.

tartagliazl1 · 11-25-2022, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Waz_Wolf

Exactly. Though when I read, AN is worth about 10% extra flow over rubber.

The AN is just the fitting. Still going to have all rubber lines. If you actually look at a 12an hose fitting the inside diameter is still 5/8” that’s why i went with 3/4” push lock fittings instead.

Waz_Wolf · 11-25-2022, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tartagliazl1

The AN is just the fitting. Still going to have all rubber lines. If you actually look at a 12an hose fitting the inside diameter is still 5/8” that’s why i went with 3/4” push lock fittings instead.

Not necessarily. I’m upgrading all the fittings and lines to 12AN, which is .69”. One of the reasons for going track attack hx, you can order with several fitting configurations.

Thus far my bottleneck appears to be the brick itself. I will have it welded. I haven’t read of a true upgrade for that thus far.

11-24-2022, 12:26 PM	#1
Waz_Wolf Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1 Convertible Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: Port Charlotte, FL Posts: 10	Cooling/Plumbing Mods and Questions I moved to SWFL this summer and bought a 2013 ZL1 Convertible A6. I have loved the car, and now I’m ready to start some tasteful modifications. In the next year I will send the supercharger to Kong Performance for porting, rebuild, solid isolator, and pulley swap. I’m thinking 3.86 ratio. I have a set of ARH 1-7/8 headers in the garage and a set of catless mid pipes coming. ID 1050 injectors and a NW 103 tb with Roto fab cai round out my planned mods. Cooling mods are a necessity living down here, besides the extra heat from the modifications. I’m thinking of the Weapon X HX with fans, bmr supercharger tank, and pierburg cwa400 pump, 160 degree stat, with a welded brick. My car is 99% street driven, but spirited when possible. Should I upgrade plumbing to 12-AN and add a spacer to the supercharger? Would there be an issue doing the cooling mods with cai before tuning? I know a full tune will be required when I pull the blower and do the rest of the mods. Fortunately, Tampa is an hour and a half away.

11-24-2022, 04:20 PM	#2
tartagliazl1 Drives: 2013 zl1 vert Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Rochester, New york Posts: 949	I have the afco HX with fans. I’m sure the weapon x one is good also. The cwa400 is over kill unless your doing a ice box in the trunk. The zl1 pump is a good pump. A good replacement pump is the cwa100 flows good. Look at the dedicated motor sports Reservoir 2 gallon talk with 12an fittings. __________________ 22% lower/ 2.5 upper/ 2” headers/ cat delete/ x-pipe/ 2 gallon x tank/ 100-3 pump/ fic 850/ dsx aux kit/ 103mm throttle body/ RPM 5” intake/ meth kit/ prometh lid injection/FI interchiller/ 160* stat/ ngk-7/ msd wires/ elite catch can/ tsp cam/ Che trunnions/ ported supercharger/ 1/2” lid spacer/ brick mod/BMR toe and trailing arms/ 751hp 757 tq SAE @17.3lb on a loaded dyno.

11-24-2022, 06:31 PM	#4
tartagliazl1 Drives: 2013 zl1 vert Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Rochester, New york Posts: 949	I just removed my afco for a Interchiller __________________ 22% lower/ 2.5 upper/ 2” headers/ cat delete/ x-pipe/ 2 gallon x tank/ 100-3 pump/ fic 850/ dsx aux kit/ 103mm throttle body/ RPM 5” intake/ meth kit/ prometh lid injection/FI interchiller/ 160* stat/ ngk-7/ msd wires/ elite catch can/ tsp cam/ Che trunnions/ ported supercharger/ 1/2” lid spacer/ brick mod/BMR toe and trailing arms/ 751hp 757 tq SAE @17.3lb on a loaded dyno.

11-24-2022, 07:32 PM	#6
tartagliazl1 Drives: 2013 zl1 vert Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Rochester, New york Posts: 949	Not even close to maxing out the 850’s but i spray 1450cc of methanol on full boost. 1050 are a good start. If i ran E85 they would be way too small __________________ 22% lower/ 2.5 upper/ 2” headers/ cat delete/ x-pipe/ 2 gallon x tank/ 100-3 pump/ fic 850/ dsx aux kit/ 103mm throttle body/ RPM 5” intake/ meth kit/ prometh lid injection/FI interchiller/ 160* stat/ ngk-7/ msd wires/ elite catch can/ tsp cam/ Che trunnions/ ported supercharger/ 1/2” lid spacer/ brick mod/BMR toe and trailing arms/ 751hp 757 tq SAE @17.3lb on a loaded dyno.

11-25-2022, 09:27 AM	#8
Risingson05 Drives: 2015 zl1 m6 Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Alaska Posts: 702	I’ve got ported blower and heads but running e-85 so I’ve got fore triple l4 system w-ID1300’s - running afco hx w/ fans aswell as an 6 gal ice trunk tank with emp pump .. If I recall I’m only running 40-50% duty cycle at wot . __________________ 791whp 699 ft lbs torque on E30 - ported sc /heads by boost mode racing - PAT G cam /Tune PB:10.7 @133.9

11-24-2022, 06:28 PM	#3
Waz_Wolf Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1 Convertible Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: Port Charlotte, FL Posts: 10	I looked hard at the Afco. Grew up with my dad racing circle track, so always liked/used the brand. Ultimately, upgrading all the plumbing to 12-An and a bit of a price break makes me lean weapon x. Thanks!

11-25-2022, 10:13 AM	#9
bsn Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Virginia Posts: 300	E85 works really well on a ZL1 with a good fuel pump or DSX aux pump, sensor and the ID1050X injectors you should pick up 40-90HP depending on your other modifications and help cool the intake charge.. The ID1050X should support about 800WHP on E85 but you will be maxed out-running a kittle lower content and you would be fine.

11-25-2022, 06:52 PM	#10
roh Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Northeast Posts: 72	What is the reason or advantage of AN plumbing for the intercooler? Low pressure coolant. What am I missing?